COMPARE THE PAIR 3.0R vs GT

[dr20t]

You needed to row through four gears to get to 100kph?

And yes I have an auto that I manually change -

[RX25SE]

You needed to row through four gears to get to 100kph?

I was looking at this also.

Pretty sure 100kph in my 3.0RB is the bottom/middle of 3rd.

Purely for research purposes, I might go for a drive later.

[alessandro132]

Purely for research purposes, I might go for a drive later.

[peadya100]

Ok, so when you said the hsv had 20k under the hood you were just exaggerating. As 330rwkw is achievable for 3-4k in a hsv.

No exaggeration stock was 265rwkw he changed the intake, billet manifold, cams, pushrods, crank shaft and pistons because he has plans to supercharge in the future and wanted his engine to have no weak points. 65rwkw gain after a tune and 20 grand worh of parts and labour he hadn't touched the exhaust at that time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMKUUUvjjzo

Well im sorry to say they were HUGELY ripped off on parts and labour. My friend has a VE SS with a 2.3L blower, cams, intake etc and that was far less than 20k. But anyway thats beside the point. I guess the simplest thing to look at is 0-100 times. Although the 3.0r is similar peak power to the GT its slower to 100. Pretty clear cut comparison.

[SIMBAT]

You needed to row through four gears to get to 100kph?

And yes I have an auto that I manually change -

Only an auto driver would have to be that dumb seriously... where did i say i went into forth? i changed from 1st to 2nd to 3rd and unless you have a ferrari don't delude yourself that changing gears in an auto is anything like driving a manual. You must be a bit slow in the head to say that.

[SIMBAT]

Well im sorry to say they were HUGELY ripped off on parts and labour. My friend has a VE SS with a 2.3L blower, cams, intake etc and that was far less than 20k. But anyway thats beside the point. I guess the simplest thing to look at is 0-100 times. Although the 3.0r is similar peak power to the GT its slower to 100. Pretty clear cut comparison.

Well go ask a mechanic how much it would cost to replace pushrods on a 6.2 GEN3 V8, you'll shit your pants then ad $400 per pushrod. I'm aware on paper a GT has quicker 0-100 times.

It's quite sad how this topic has changed from what it was intended on, first we had some smart ass telling me if i changed at 6grand on the test drive it would be quicker, everyone here is so full of irrelevant bullshit. Also looks like no understands how much slower hsv's are then our cars in motorkana events. Last year i was beating any HSV and FPV by 2 seconds on the haunted hills hill-climb track(dry), and that was with a NA EJ25i 2002 Liberty RX Manual, But I was half a second slower then a 2004 WRX wagon. numbers don't mean anything unless your on the drag strip.

[kiahatsiu]

Oh boy.

[dr20t]

You needed to row through four gears to get to 100kph?

And yes I have an auto that I manually change -

Only an auto driver would have to be that dumb seriously... where did i say i went into forth? i changed from 1st to 2nd to 3rd and unless you have a ferrari don't delude yourself that changing gears in an auto is anything like driving a manual. You must be a bit slow in the head to say that.

I love the Internet

Ferrari's are easy targets unless they're the open wheel, open cockpit carbon type

[fibble]

You needed to row through four gears to get to 100kph?

And yes I have an auto that I manually change -

Only an auto driver would have to be that dumb seriously... where did i say i went into forth? i changed from 1st to 2nd to 3rd and unless you have a ferrari don't delude yourself that changing gears in an auto is anything like driving a manual. You must be a bit slow in the head to say that.

I love the Internet

Ferrari's are easy targets unless they're the open wheel, open cockpit carbon type

I can see this is becoming one of those "passion of youth" vs "dark twisted sarcassm of old age" kind of debates.......

[SIMBAT]

I love the Internet

Ferrari's are easy targets unless they're the open wheel, open cockpit carbon type

you should buy a camry... that is all

[fibble]

I love the Internet

Ferrari's are easy targets unless they're the open wheel, open cockpit carbon type

you should buy a camry... that is all

Oooooohhhh Camry!!!

http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/107-c ... ble-7.html

[kiahatsiu]

Ric, please note I am being restrained.

Newmate: the vf46 is a fairly subdued turbo. All over by 5500 as people have said. That being said the gt you drove sounds like it had issues. Stock GTs go quite well.

[DownUnder]

No exaggeration stock was 265rwkw he changed the intake, billet manifold, cams, pushrods, crank shaft and pistons because he has plans to supercharge in the future and wanted his engine to have no weak points. 65rwkw gain after a tune and 20 grand worh of parts and labour he hadn't touched the exhaust at that time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMKUUUvjjzo

If you're legit with that last link you're starting to sound a lot like this guy... viewtopic.php?f=21&t=20919

[KiDo_Tuning]

Are you sure you will understand the Excel data sheet? Ever wonder why 3rd gear in a turbo car is referred to as the 'fastest'? It is because in 2nd gear, your lucky to see full boost in a stock LGT, let alone get to 6psi. Suddenly 14psi in 3rd gear at 3000rpm seems like a good idea

Well to satisfy my own curiosity sine we were talking about changing at 6000rpm for both the 3.0R and a GT. I was in the outer norther suburbs of melbourne this morning where they have 100k straight flat country roads. i have an app on my phone which records true 0-100 times with gps. I did 4 runs, the only way i could ensure an exact take off for all the runs was to just take of normally (no dropping of the clutch). After i did each run i went back and did the others on the exact same stretch of road. i did 2 runs changing gears at 6000rpm since a few of you have insisted not revving a stock car past that, then i did 2 runs to the limiter. here are my times

run one changing at 6000rpm= 7.223----note for both gear changes (1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd) were performed at 6000rpm
run two changing at limiter= 7.006
run three changing at 6000rpm= 7.198----note only 2nd to 3rd were performed at 6000rpm, 1st to 2nd were performed at limiter
run four changing at limiter=6.979
My car is a 2008 3.0R B-spec manual with 57000kms just has the rear mufflers deleted with 1 3/4" stainless steel pipes, k+n panel filter no tune as of yet.

If someone can do the same in a stock GT??? (by stock i mean no tune)

Stock tune shuts the electronic throttle above peak power on a H6

A totally stock H6(no intake or diff back mods) is slower than a GT. Do the same rear muff delete and panel filter in a GT and it will walk away from you.

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Considering the stock 07 H6 rattles/pings so badly on the stock tune, I would not be thrashing it above 6000rpm

[KiDo_Tuning]

Well go ask a mechanic how much it would cost to replace pushrods on a 6.2 GEN3 V8, you'll shit your pants then ad $400 per pushrod. I'm aware on paper a GT has quicker 0-100 times.

It's quite sad how this topic has changed from what it was intended on, first we had some smart ass telling me if i changed at 6grand on the test drive it would be quicker, everyone here is so full of irrelevant bullshit. Also looks like no understands how much slower hsv's are then our cars in motorkana events. Last year i was beating any HSV and FPV by 2 seconds on the haunted hills hill-climb track(dry), and that was with a NA EJ25i 2002 Liberty RX Manual, But I was half a second slower then a 2004 WRX wagon. numbers don't mean anything unless your on the drag strip.

$400 per pushrod? Wolverine Adamantium material?
http://www.speedinc.com/shop-by-vehicle ... -sets.html
Pushrod pricing from some of the best in the business...

I can do pushrods in an LS3 in under 2 hours. Remove rocker covers, remove rockers, remove pushrods, intall new pushrods, fit rocker cover. To put that into perspective I could fit a cam, valvesprings, roller rockers and pushrods in under 7 hours with engine in the car and less out of the car

I bought an entire LS3 416ci stroker delivered to my door with an E85 2000Hp crank horsepower rating with WARRANTY for under $10K from the same company in the USA