JSLAYZ - 283awkw pics pg 39,41,53,55,63

[cruisn]

I bought some parts recently of a wrecked manual MY07 spec B that the guy bought to put the manual from into his auto spec B for towing.

He also said upon trying, the trans tunnels were different and the crossmembers didnt line up.

[dr20t]

Don't know why people didnt believe it - trust me if it could've worked easily I would've been the first to do it instead of fking around spending 5k to build up a shitty auto to take my power

I generally work on a rule of not making up information to share with my fellow enthusiasts in the hope it will save them time.

But a picture speaks a thousand words

Bottom line - they're different. Yes they can work but it will need engineering and a full report at that, so given the stringent guidelines we are now under I don't think it's a simple walk in the park

Most likely will render the vehicle as an ICV (individually constructed vehicle ) which is expensive and onerous

Any deviation from oem needs signoff once you go down this path

Was not worth it for me in the end, but maybe it might be viable for others

Mick

[dr20t]

Also Dan as discussed on Friday I believe the vehicle you worked on was an my05 as all my04 GT liberties were 5eat auto

[dja]

It absolutely blows me out, the trans tunnel is a no issue for a 6speed install,, but the crossmember obviously is.

Im surprised that they are different, ill need to try and fit a manual crossmember to one for sheer bloodymindedness.

The AUDM04manual 5speed we did a 6speed conversion to was built in aug 2004.

As far as custom crossmember goes, this isnt an issue, mick who ever told you an auto to manual change was a engineering issue might have rocks in their head.

i have seen, and been part of quite a few conversions with plenty of custom stuff that isnt questioned, if its safe, and done properly an engineer will have no issues certifying the vehicle. And this isnt personal stuff by a mate. Last year we put a full v3sti conversion including manual box, diff,brakes,coilovers etc into an auto brumby, did a fmic and exhaust,new dash the lot, and it passed no issues on mechanicals at all, and all the custom work was shown.

[dr20t]

Dan you're missing my point - I know it can be engineered but the scrutineering these days is too hard

My gemi was engineered with a turbo g180, as was my celica

These had completely different engines with bigger setups in there

The issue is the new rules are alot more onerous and engineers are becoming stringent. Without going into too much detail I know for a fact there are alot of things on my car an engineer won't like. He might like the shiny new crossmember I've fabbed up but won't like my fmic.

In an over-engineered, 5 star ancap safety rating vehicle (which the liberty is), I can't see too many engineers wanting to sign away saying "mick's backyard work" holds more weight than Subaru when it comes to safety with certain things (and again I'm not talking about the crossmember here but other things which I won't mention)

I'm sure you can see this is a little different to an old shitter which you've probably improved by putting better structural parts and brakes etc on there.



Mick

[Alkem1st]

Can see where you're coming from Mick.

Personally I too wouldn't go down this road if a custom cross member is required. Not because it's particularly difficult but as with Mick I'm cautious about any changes needing engineer approval or something that may affect insurance, etc.

[dja]

I see what your saying Mick, but to be blunt, your wrong.

But we have different ways of dealing with these kinds of things.

I used the brumby as an example.

The 5 to 6 speed gen4 passed also.

Almost everything is a defect these days, a bloody unenclosed pod filter is considered a risk for all sorts of silly reasons.

Im using logic here, which is how i work, if you fab, or modify a crossmember to work i cannot see you having an issue with a legitimate engineer. Keep in mind it must be structurally sound(im assuming the person doing it isnt an idiot basically, and understands laws, welding etc).

I too am super cautious about insurance(comes from 5 years being an assessor for the big insurer), but anything done properly and noted on an insurance policy(assuming it meets the criteria of the PDS) and your golden, legally speaking.

Im not saying this to change minds, rather hoping some open, and see what can be done.

I dont pretend to know it all, i was seriously of the opinion trans tunnel bolt spacing couldnt be different, and a few people have said it is, better yet people who have been on the spanners themselves. Thats proof enough for me, and now i know this for the next conversion that comes calling my way.

I digress.

[dr20t]

So you reckon an engineer will pass my car no reo?

[dja]

So you reckon an engineer will pass my car no reo?

Never said or implied that, were talking gearbox crossmember here.

You could get it past depending on how well its been done etc, but not having seen any of it, or if it affects structural integrity, or when airbag sensors go off etc i cant say.

My point, again is that a gearbox crossmember is not likely to get knocked back, or even questioned if done to any sort of standard.

I feel this got wildly off topic, but the core is a transmission change is no big deal at all, any honestly if its getting knocked back by an engineer, then the quality of worksmanship is not up to par.

I need a beer

[dr20t]

Jslayz sorry for derailing your thread dude.

Dan perhaps we should start a new topic - but what I'm getting at is an engineer will not just look at the x member in isolation - they'll check the whole car out.

With mods done to *alot* of cars, they won't pass. And thus why I said its a bottomless pit once you go there cos there's no turning back if you mod the trans tunnel.

[dja]

Yeah sorry for the hijack mate, ahh the internet.

Michael, to be fair we have different views on this, i feel like you keep changing what your saying to pervert my point.

I think we can all agree on the following: If you modify things correctly, then you have no issues whatsoever with engineers or insurance, or legalities.

Lets leave it at that if we can, or take it offline.

[jslayz]

Auto staying till spring. will assess while in bits though.

Waiting, waiting, told around two weeks.......

j

[Alkem1st]

Auto staying till spring. will assess while in bits though.

Waiting, waiting, told around two weeks.......

j

So you might be back on the road by the time the next cruise rolls around?

[jslayz]

yep with the run in tune:-)

[JDGT05]

Keen to see how a built auto goes

Will be on the cards next year if your auto works well, if not I looked into manual conversion, too many $$$$