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Re: MY04 Liberty GT - FrankenStien

Postby <GB> » Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:39 am

dr20t wrote:
I'm going with a walbro 450lph (e85 compliant).

Because I'm running eflex I'm also using the e85 proof pigtail sealed connector. Ethanol is conductive (as opposed to hydrocarbon fuel which is not), and thus any exposed fuel pump connectors in the cradle / tank pose a danger.

Upgrading stock wiring and fuse but not hard wiring it yet as I think even at 12.8v it will supply enough fuel to meet my demands.

The cradle will need significant modification to make work which Michael from garage88 is confident of making work. The pump itself is massive so its definitely not a "drop in" affair

Hopefully the stock wiring is enough.

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did you read the links ben posted in your other thread? they are very helpful!! im looking to up the alt voltage, change fp module and put better wiring in. i dont think the stock wiring is up to that walbro current draw, id be up grading to 10 amp with a new relay and running it all through the fpmodule. im lucky im not going e85 yet but still need better fuel system for 98 if i go better turbo

if you mod the cradle will you be keeping the stock bottom/mini surge tank on?
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Re: MY04 Liberty GT - FrankenStien

Postby dr20t » Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:11 pm

Yeah I've read that and many others

The weak link in the system is the wiring from fpc as far as I can tell. If it poses a problem then we'll look at it

Still looking to keep the cradle so will retain the anti surge qualities it contains

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Re: MY04 Liberty GT - FrankenStien

Postby <GB> » Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:26 pm

dr20t wrote:Yeah I've read that and many others

The weak link in the system is the wiring from fpc as far as I can tell. If it poses a problem then we'll look at it

Still looking to keep the cradle so will retain the anti surge qualities it contains

Mick

so you will remove the in tank filter and put one where the older wrx had it?
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Re: MY04 Liberty GT - FrankenStien

Postby dr20t » Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:37 am

Didnt see your post earlier for some reason gb

No I'm looking to keep the cradle as it is with some mods mick will make to suit and ensure oem-esque fitment

Will be upgrading fuse to 20amp one and hope the 16ag wiring will hold up

Max current rating for the 16ag wiring at 13v is 22amp, and the max current draw at 12.4v for the new pump at 75-80psi max fuel pressure is 16.7amps. So hopefully this will hold up

If I fry fuses or see that voltage drop is happening to below 12v at 100% duty cycle then I will upgrade the wiring

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Re: MY04 Liberty GT - FrankenStien

Postby coyote » Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:57 am

dr20t wrote:I'm going with a walbro 450lph (e85 compliant)


I tuned a car with one of these yesterday.

Maxed out the ID1000s (and just about everything else) with ridiculous ease.

Of course with Michael on the job your setup will be spot on.
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Re: MY04 Liberty GT - FrankenStien

Postby dr20t » Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:23 pm

coyote wrote:
dr20t wrote:I'm going with a walbro 450lph (e85 compliant)


I tuned a car with one of these yesterday.

Maxed out the ID1000s (and just about everything else) with ridiculous ease.

Of course with Michael on the job your setup will be spot on.


Thanks Tony

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Re: MY04 Liberty GT - FrankenStien

Postby senator » Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:05 pm

dr20t wrote:
coyote wrote:
dr20t wrote:I'm going with a walbro 450lph (e85 compliant)


I tuned a car with one of these yesterday.

Maxed out the ID1000s (and just about everything else) with ridiculous ease.

Of course with Michael on the job your setup will be spot on.


Thanks Tony

I think I know which car you're talking about ;)


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Was this set up using the OE fuel reg?

I’m guessing no fancy parallel trickery?
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Re: MY04 Liberty GT - FrankenStien

Postby <GB> » Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:47 pm

dr20t wrote:Didnt see your post earlier for some reason gb

No I'm looking to keep the cradle as it is with some mods mick will make to suit and ensure oem-esque fitment

Will be upgrading fuse to 20amp one and hope the 16ag wiring will hold up

Max current rating for the 16ag wiring at 13v is 22amp, and the max current draw at 12.4v for the new pump at 75-80psi max fuel pressure is 16.7amps. So hopefully this will hold up

If I fry fuses or see that voltage drop is happening to below 12v at 100% duty cycle then I will upgrade the wiring

Mick

well from those links ben posted there is a fair voltage drop from front to rear and then also through the fuel pump module, im going to test mine then put a wrx one on and see how much the voltage rises, i plan on running an 8g cable to run another sub so i might just run another realy from there and try get better voltage
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Re: MY04 Liberty GT - FrankenStien

Postby KiDo_Tuning » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:14 pm

<GB> wrote:
dr20t wrote:Didnt see your post earlier for some reason gb
No I'm looking to keep the cradle as it is with some mods mick will make to suit and ensure oem-esque fitment
Will be upgrading fuse to 20amp one and hope the 16ag wiring will hold up
Max current rating for the 16ag wiring at 13v is 22amp, and the max current draw at 12.4v for the new pump at 75-80psi max fuel pressure is 16.7amps. So hopefully this will hold up
If I fry fuses or see that voltage drop is happening to below 12v at 100% duty cycle then I will upgrade the wiring

Mick

well from those links ben posted there is a fair voltage drop from front to rear and then also through the fuel pump module, im going to test mine then put a wrx one on and see how much the voltage rises, i plan on running an 8g cable to run another sub so i might just run another realy from there and try get better voltage


I sent Mick the Fuel Pump Duty Tables for his ROM so it has fuel pump control.
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Re: MY04 Liberty GT - FrankenStien

Postby <GB> » Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:55 pm

KiDo_Tuning wrote:
<GB> wrote:
dr20t wrote:Didnt see your post earlier for some reason gb
No I'm looking to keep the cradle as it is with some mods mick will make to suit and ensure oem-esque fitment
Will be upgrading fuse to 20amp one and hope the 16ag wiring will hold up
Max current rating for the 16ag wiring at 13v is 22amp, and the max current draw at 12.4v for the new pump at 75-80psi max fuel pressure is 16.7amps. So hopefully this will hold up
If I fry fuses or see that voltage drop is happening to below 12v at 100% duty cycle then I will upgrade the wiring

Mick

well from those links ben posted there is a fair voltage drop from front to rear and then also through the fuel pump module, im going to test mine then put a wrx one on and see how much the voltage rises, i plan on running an 8g cable to run another sub so i might just run another realy from there and try get better voltage


I sent Mick the Fuel Pump Duty Tables for his ROM so it has fuel pump control.

I got that too, problem is too much duty cycle can cause heat issues
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Re: MY04 Liberty GT - FrankenStien

Postby KiDo_Tuning » Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:15 am

<GB> wrote:
KiDo_Tuning wrote:
<GB> wrote:well from those links ben posted there is a fair voltage drop from front to rear and then also through the fuel pump module, im going to test mine then put a wrx one on and see how much the voltage rises, i plan on running an 8g cable to run another sub so i might just run another realy from there and try get better voltage


I sent Mick the Fuel Pump Duty Tables for his ROM so it has fuel pump control.

I got that too, problem is too much duty cycle can cause heat issues


I know, hence why the controller is not bypassed to run constant power :D
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Re: MY04 Liberty GT - FrankenStien

Postby Jack_Keaka » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:47 pm

*Petter
Apparently i've never been on live television before
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Re: MY04 Liberty GT - FrankenStien

Postby dr20t » Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:24 pm

I had to google

Who exactly are you pettering jack?
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Re: MY04 Liberty GT - FrankenStien

Postby Jack_Keaka » Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:30 pm

in your original post you wrote Peter. i was just being a douche and correcting you. :lol:
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Re: MY04 Liberty GT - FrankenStien

Postby alexeiwoody » Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:32 pm

Glad someone corrected this potential disaster LOL
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