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Re: Member Profile - owen

Postby PoidaGT » Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:40 pm

owen wrote:
alexeiwoody wrote:Hey mate nice lib...bet the evo is even nicer :D

Although Matt recently tuned Kieran's lib on a dyno - basically same mods as yours and only managed 180kwaw. The only thing you've got over Kieran is the fuel pump, but since he was dyno tuned he's probably making more power....

Would really like to see an actual graph of a stock turbo getting over 200....hope you're not selling the lib yet??


Sorry I wont have a graph available however u'll see a new graph soon with over 250kw. Im taking the car up to g88 next weekend to have my gt2871r installed



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Re: Member Profile - owen

Postby owen » Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:18 pm

Couldn't get time off work last week. Leaving tomorrow night and will be back on sunday. Will update again then.
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Re: Member Profile - owen

Postby owen » Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:35 pm

Oh btw alexi, my car is tuned on 100o fuel. Proven 10-15kw gains over 98, some cases more
I had 194kw with the springy tune with stock cooler. Retuned with matt with avo cooler and throttle body hose
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Re: Member Profile - owen

Postby bass_straitener » Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:44 pm

owen wrote:Oh btw alexi, my car is tuned on 100o fuel. Proven 10-15kw gains over 98, some cases more
I had 194kw with the springy tune with stock cooler. Retuned with matt with avo cooler and throttle body hose


Can we see your Springy dyno graph please. I'm curious as to the AFR's and boost to get that power. Thanks
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Re: Member Profile - owen

Postby owen » Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:54 pm

Bruce I've shown u my graph! I've thrown it out now. Remember we had a conversation about why he couldn't run your afr like he did with mine, as he leaned your's out too much. From memory my afr was at 11.5 though out the rev range. Boost was at 18psi, however I had a boost spike issue that night and went back to lower the waste gate duty cycle
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Re: Member Profile - owen

Postby bass_straitener » Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:02 pm

owen wrote:Bruce I've shown u my graph! I've thrown it out now. Remember we had a conversation about why he couldn't run your afr like he did with mine, as he leaned your's out too much. From memory my afr was at 11.5 though out the rev range. Boost was at 18psi, however I had a boost spike issue that night and went back to lower the waste gate duty cycle


You're right you did show it to me. I didn't think it was 194kws. I could be wrong though. And yes I remember clearing your boost spike issue the next day.. :lol:

All good. I'm waiting to see how you're Sydney trip goes.
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Re: Member Profile - owen

Postby owen » Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:38 pm

bass_straitener wrote:I'm waiting to see how you're Sydney trip goes.


Depending what time I get back, I'll swing by your's on the way home and you can have first peek.
I'm quite anxious tbh..this is supposed to be my street friendly car..might have taken it a little too far
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Re: Member Profile - owen

Postby alexeiwoody » Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:46 pm

owen wrote:another update.

got the car tuned at springy on p100. peaked 190kw and then tuned down to 183kw/500nm for safety.

conclusion, bigger cooler and retune next week


Hey mate, I dont want to split hairs...10kw more or less I'm sure neither me or you care as long as the car drives well.

Much more exciting to read about your new turbo and your awesome times as a driver :)

This is about what tuners tell their customers. 200+ on vf46...your post says 190 (not sure where 194 is from?)...tuned back down to 183. Avo tmic only makes 5kw odd over stock. So you'd be at 188 odd safely. Then you downgraded a dyno tune to a road tune which would lose you 5-10kw. And you also changed tuners in the process. Your tuner got 180 odd on another almost same setup car. On a dyno. Your fuel makes a difference but you didn't have a dyno tune. Would you agree so far?

IMO I'd say at best it was doing 190odd. For a tuner to tell you it's doing 200+ without a dyno. ..is just sales. Any of us would believe that too since that's what we want to hear and the tuner seems really knowledgeable. Then we would all post here what a great tuner we have and there you go free advertising, amazing reputation; in business sales skills pay off more than the quality of the product :) that's proven too...<end of rant>

Hope you know now where I'm coming from, and I apologise if it sounded like I was saying your car can't make that power on stock. You certainly know your shit and we're all expecting good things from your lib :)

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Re: Member Profile - owen

Postby owen » Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:05 pm

Sorry my bad. For some reason I remembered I made 194 not 184. Shows how much I care about my current setup lol.

Just received some bad news..mick at g88 is suffering from welders flash..still working on whether I can take it up tomorrow :(
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Re: Member Profile - owen

Postby KiDo_Tuning » Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:44 am

CAI makes a power gain ;) Since there is a VF46 with a tad over 200 with a PW CAI on 98 RON with stock headers on the same brand dyno as yours... it was just a power run, was road tuned previously. Even your own car is running nearly identical timing and AFR's to the original base TBE road tune I sent you which made 170Kw@wheels. Just crept up on power to confirm there was no true knock ;)

I didnt even need to alter the RPM scaling to fatten up the figure by letting the dyno interpolate data incorrectly.

RTR also had quite a few cars on his dyno that were tuned elsewhere which made less power than their Dyno Dynamics counterparts :)

Owens car butt dyno was better than it was previously ;)

alexeiwoody wrote:
owen wrote:another update.
got the car tuned at springy on p100. peaked 190kw and then tuned down to 183kw/500nm for safety.
conclusion, bigger cooler and retune next week

Hey mate, I dont want to split hairs...10kw more or less I'm sure neither me or you care as long as the car drives well.
Much more exciting to read about your new turbo and your awesome times as a driver :)
This is about what tuners tell their customers. 200+ on vf46...your post says 190 (not sure where 194 is from?)...tuned back down to 183. Avo tmic only makes 5kw odd over stock. So you'd be at 188 odd safely. Then you downgraded a dyno tune to a road tune which would lose you 5-10kw. And you also changed tuners in the process. Your tuner got 180 odd on another almost same setup car. On a dyno. Your fuel makes a difference but you didn't have a dyno tune. Would you agree so far?
IMO I'd say at best it was doing 190odd. For a tuner to tell you it's doing 200+ without a dyno. ..is just sales. Any of us would believe that too since that's what we want to hear and the tuner seems really knowledgeable. Then we would all post here what a great tuner we have and there you go free advertising, amazing reputation; in business sales skills pay off more than the quality of the product :) that's proven too...<end of rant>
Hope you know now where I'm coming from, and I apologise if it sounded like I was saying your car can't make that power on stock. You certainly know your shit and we're all expecting good things from your lib :)
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Re: Member Profile - owen

Postby alexeiwoody » Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:15 pm

I hope this stays a friendly discussion...I certainly am not pointing fingers at any one tuner or trying to say who can/can't tune. If I didn't think that you can tune well Matt, I wouldn't have said 190kw I would've said 180kw... Just keeping things honest for people looking for a tune and what to look for

Common sense dictates that without a dyno a tuner can't tell (or assure) their customer what power figure their car makes. Refer to my last post for the common sense formula and actual power figure owen's then setup should get. Why the need to give customers a higher figure? Why not be conservative and just say, "Look mate you car might be making the same power you had at another tuner, but as you'll agree it drives better now". Just telling them what they want to hear is....sales :)

KiDo_Tuning wrote:CAI makes a power gain ;)


Oh boy. :mrgreen: On a 200kw liberty? Considering how efficient the std box is (just ask Senator), all I can say is - got a dyno sheet? It will gain response, sure. But no power at that level.

Michael South quote: "Std air box is fine, nothing to gain in power, just noise, tuning back to back, at 240kw and gained nothing, waste of money, std air filter is fine too, nothing to gain.

Matt kido quote: "Yeah they sold your friend snake oil" after I told him my mate bought an APR (can't really blame this brand quality...) CAI for his stock golf GTI and he's hoping to make more power.

Bruce's car with a CAI, and a VERY (please correct me if I'm wrong bruce) similar setup to owen, made around 186 on a dyno.... 200+ seems kind of far off on the same setup even with 100ron but no dyno tune.

KiDo_Tuning wrote:your own car is running nearly identical timing and AFR's to the original base TBE road tune I sent you which made 170Kw@wheels. Just crept up on power to confirm there was no true knock


A dyno let's you creep up that power that extra 5-15 kw safely, as you can see what's going on in the car better. On a road you could make heaps of power too, but can't be too sure if the car could handle it for long. And I know you're pretty sensible when it comes to safety, so power isn't going to be exactly as high as a dyno.
My dyno only made 160...where's 170 from?

KiDo_Tuning wrote:Owens car butt dyno was better than it was previously ;)


I don't expect a serious tuner to have to refer to bum dynos :banned:

Changing the S# throtte pedal angle to be at full throttle when it's only 65% down will make any bum dyno think there's another 20kw there. Especially compared to S.

You obviously made the car drive better or owen wouldn't be happy. So why the need to tell people higher power figures...You told me I had a 30% power increase after my stock retune...turns out I still haven't reached 30% even after full tbe.

A lib wagon on this forum in Brisbane, who we all know well, (after a lot of tuning) made 236kw on ethanol on vf52. owen wrote that you were quoting him 230kw could be reached on e85 on vf46. Why are none of these figures adding up to actual results we see on dynos from yours or other's tuned cars?

Having said that IMO your tunes have really nice throttle response and smoothness and power at the same time. Just not sure why you feel the need to overquoute...that'll just lead to people being disappointed and make you look bad, when in fact you're good at what you do.

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Re: Member Profile - owen

Postby Kekotic » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:16 pm

I thought this was Owens member profile :twisted:
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Re: Member Profile - owen

Postby owen » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:21 pm

Oh gawd here we go.
Guys I wanna clarify that I don't know if im happy with this tune because I don't have another good tune to compare it with.
Having said that, im happy it hasn't blown up. I've never logged it, never cared about what numbers I can generate on the dyno. I don't care if it has 185, 195 or 205 because it's stock and underpowered. Yes it would have been nice to crack 200 on a stock setup, but I couldnt give 2 fucks if I didn't.
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Re: Member Profile - owen

Postby owen » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:28 pm

chaotic2050 wrote:I thought this was Owens member profile :twisted:


What keiran said
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Re: Member Profile - owen

Postby <GB> » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:36 pm

anyone for popcorn!!
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