MY07 Sedan Sound Deadening review (w/o stereo upgrade)

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MY07 Sedan Sound Deadening review (w/o stereo upgrade)

Postby cpitts » Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:04 pm

Well guys,

As part of the ongoing investigation as to weak points in the overall stereo in the MY07 Lib GT-B (McIntosh 14 speaker thing), I've been gradually changing parts and then living with the change to see what's a useful upgrade and what isn't.

Over the last month I've sound deadened the doors in the 07 Lib GT-B to see if there's much improvement to be had, here's a brief blurb on what I've found.

What was used: Dynamat Xtreme, Dynaxorb deflex pads (behind woofers) Just under $300 total, delivered.
What was done: Front doors (outer skin/panel and inner metal skin), Rear doors (outer skin/panel, around rear speaker mount only)
What's not done: Parcel shelf, pending C-Pillar removal pics.

Front Door
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Back Door - Yes, they're not stock speakers in the rear. ;)
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What was expected:
1. Lower road noise floor
2. Clearer audio
3. More bass
4. More mid-bass
5. 'cleaner' sound

What was ACTUALLY achieved:
1. Lower road noise floor (pretty much the same at 110kph as at 30kph) - ie: you don't need to adjust the volume up when cruising.
2. Clearer audio - voices/instruments are much more precise and are easier to hear. Better definition.
3. Same or LESS Bass - I put this down to creating a sealed cabinet in the door that's stopped massive resonant frequencies in the door cavity under the arm rest/elbow area of the door panel. Sound now comes from the speakers, not the 'doors'.
4. HUGE Mid-bass improvement! Vocals and mid range stuff is hugely improved. Band pass test from low to high freq is now MUCH smoother/consistent. Music is much easier to listen to now as vocals are stronger and smoother.
5. Much cleaner sound.

I really didn't expect to see huge speaker/sound quality improvements given that the standard cones, cabling, amp and HU are in place, but for the price of the upgrade ($300 + my time) it has certainly improved the sound to the point I'm happy with it for the majority of daily music activities. It actually sounds 'good' (well acceptable) now!! (which is saying something for a audio fussy bastard)

The mid-bass improvement has really blown me away, I didn't think it'd come up that well. It's also highlighted that the speakers have been picked with specific goals but no doubt done-so in a sound box/speaker or some type of enclosure. It's not that they're bad, it's just their environment is bad.

The top end of the spectrum is still rather lacking, but it's not so bad that you can't listen to it, it's actually quite good still for a car system.

My current settings are Treble +1, Bass +1 and otherwise flat. It's improved the car that much. Previously I was Bass +4, Mid +2 and Treble +3 to help show what I mean.

All in all, it's a really worthwhile upgrade, albeit a bit hard on your arms and fingers during the install.

It's slowed down the progress of my 'must upgrade' approach for the stereo to the point that I'm now re-assessing the need to change some of the bits until a later date.

The amp and front stage will be changed (just looking at some yummy 3-ways for the front so I can keep the 7"/3"/1" speaker sizing mix for strong mid staging) but at this stage, I'm happy to search and save as the current setup isn't bad enough to force me to change it. It's now more than acceptable for ~2hrs listening a day during commute.
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Postby Subie Boy » Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:09 pm

Excellent review, mate!
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Postby swingn » Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:14 pm

Glad to hear it's made an improvement :)

I've got ask, what's the weight of all that Dynamat?
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Postby smythie » Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:26 pm

He has mentioned 8-10kg in the past
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Postby cpitts » Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:32 pm

Yep, the delivered package was no more than 10kg including all other boxing, etc. So ~8-9kg total which is nothing really.
There are bigger issues with weight, I've put on 5kg in the last 7 mths working at my new employer (yummy food mfg) :(
Onto the bike for me. :roll:
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Postby swingn » Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:39 pm

Under 10kgs is nothing :)

I've just heard things about deadening increasing the weight something stupid (Like 50kg's +) but I guess that's in comp set ups & stuff :P
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Postby cpitts » Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:47 pm

I'm sure you could make that weight if you did:
Boot
Roof
Floor
Double layers on all doors
A, B, C pillar
Boot floor, etc
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Postby onesilop » Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:01 pm

I am looking into sound deadening and found this...

http://www.sounddeadenershowdown.com

Very Interesting.
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Postby loweart » Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:36 pm

Great work there cpitts and thanks for your review & valuable thoughts.
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Postby Ginger Ninja » Sun Mar 15, 2009 4:55 pm

After reading this post I ordered some Dynamat to cover the doors in my car. I was just wondering why you didn't cover the large hole in the bottom of the front doors?
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Postby cpitts » Sun Mar 15, 2009 5:23 pm

I actually have covered that big hole and it makes a very big difference in reducing stray resonant sounds. I just need to take an updated pic. :oops:

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As a further update, I'm VERY impressed with the improvements. The mid range improvement is WELL above what I've expected. Sound stage is improved, but still short of a good new set of speakers, but excellent compared to other factory setups (incl Audi and BMW setups I've owned/driven with regularly)

As stated above, has slowed down my progress on upgrades to the point I'll wait for the right set of front speakers to some along (3 ways) rather than just drop in my existing high end 2 way splits.

Well worth doing. :good:
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Postby Ginger Ninja » Sun Mar 15, 2009 8:45 pm

Sounds good. I recently upgraded the stereo and I think it would really benefit from sound deadening in the doors. The benefits you've listed above would improve my current set-up a lot.
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Postby overl0ad » Sun Mar 15, 2009 9:48 pm

hey cpitts, if i get some mats, you wanna give me a hand at this?

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Postby Mr White » Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:08 am

Nice one Craig,

Thanks for the write up. Was it easy to install?

overl0ad wrote:hey cpitts, if i get some mats, you wanna give me a hand at this?


Hey Overload, I'm in Melbourne too. If your going to go down this road, we could do a group install type of thing. What do you think?
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Postby cpitts » Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:08 am

Hehehehe, group fit-up day ;)

My time's at a bit of a premium on the weekends at he moment guys but I'm sure I can do a fly-by to get you started. Honestly, the hardest part is getting the doors off the Lib (bloody concealed handle screws!!) after which, it's all cut and roll activity.

If you haven't brought already, get an Extreme Bulk pack and you can't go past doitdirect.com.au for cheap price! Also get dyna-xorb deflex pads for the front doors. Makes a good difference.

I'm sure we could arrange a time got get everyone helping each other out. ;)
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