Is anyone running Shell E10 fuel in their 3.0R?

by **coyote** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:32 pm

smythie wrote:
UrbanGTB wrote:Its not the engine it wrecks, its the fuel tank, thats why the V8 Supercars don't use the 100RON Shell

they're going to have to sort that problem for next year when they go to E85 (and either lose bulk fuel economy or bulk power)

Better not tell them Indy Cars run on E98.

by **deucer** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:13 pm

1snap1 wrote:... and shell is the best out of all the fuel stations... thats from what i know...

my 2cents

Statements like that add no value if you don't tell us 'why' you think it's the best 1snap1. Care to explain?

by **BUDDAH** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:15 am

UrbanGTB wrote:Its not the engine it wrecks, its the fuel tank, thats why the V8 Supercars don't use the 100RON Shell

100% Bull shit

by **pauly_01** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:00 am

I ran both shell 98octane (13cents more a litre than normal 91 octane) and shell e10 (16 cents less a litre than 98octane) and i have not noticed a real big difference in fuel economy, remembering there are many factors in driving economy. (3 weeks test on each fuel)
I was getting according to the trip computer between 10.4 to 10.8 combined for both fuels. I think if i filled up with 91octane my economy might go down, but i havn't tryed it and i dont think i am going to.

by **pauly_01** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:02 am

OH and my car is a n/a not a turbo, if i had a turbo id fill up with straight 95 or 98 octane as you need it. (thats one reason why i didn't get the gt)

by **smythie** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:34 pm

don't forget 95 is the minimum for the 3.0. anything less should only be used when 95 or above are not available. this engine isn't an old 253 shitter afterall.

by **coyote** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:39 pm

I think a some people are confusing octane and ethanol, being under the impression that ethanol is low octane.

by **smythie** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:42 pm

e10 is generally 94 RON. not good enough

by **coyote** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 1:56 pm

Ethanol is 116RON (or higher, depending on which method of measurement is used), so the only reason E10 would have a rating of 94 is because it has been mixed with low octane shit quality dino fuel. The reason large oil companies do this is they are in the oil business, not the ethanol business. They only sell E10 because it is mandated by government and by blending ethanol with lowest quality dino fuel, they are (intentionally) creating the perception that E10 is low grade fuel.

Now, that is some of the large oil companies, but not all. Blending ethanol with good dino fuel gives you a higher octane fuel. For example, if you blended 10% ethanol into 95RON dino fuel, you'd probably finish up with 97 or 98 RON fuel. Shell put 5% ethanol in the shit they call V-Power and called it V-Power Racing (don't know what else they did with it though). I suspect they dropped it not because it was unpopular, but because they decided not to market a high quality ethanol blend.

The point? Look at the RON rating of the fuel you use. If it is 91RON or 94RON, it is not good enough to put in your Liberty regardless of whether it is 100% sludge dug from under an Arab's tent or not. If it says E10, know that it actually now has a higher RON value than when it was E0. If it says 100RON, it will likely enable you to make 15-20kw more at the wheels, regardless of whether it has ethanol in it or not. Actually, it is near on impossible to make unleaded pump fuel that is 100RON without using ethanol (or very nasty shit that you don't want to handle). BTW - you can drink ethanol.

Next year you will be able to buy E85 in Australia. Just watch, that's what all the big hp cars that run on pump fuel will be using.

by **smythie** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 2:07 pm

coyote wrote:If it says 100RON, it will likely enable you to make 15-20kw more at the wheels, regardless of whether it has ethanol in it or not.

eh? in comparison to what?

coyote wrote:Next year you will be able to buy E85 in Australia. Just watch, that's what all the big hp cars that run on pump fuel will be using.

People said the same about LPG and look how many performance cars are using that.

by **pauly_01** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 2:47 pm

e10 in victoria is 95 octane. As if it would matter if you run ur liberty on 91 octane....just wont go as hard or get better fuel economy.

by **coyote** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 2:53 pm

Sorry guys, I couldn't be bothered.

by **smythie** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 2:58 pm

pauly_01 wrote:e10 in victoria is 95 octane. As if it would matter if you run ur liberty on 91 octane....just wont go as hard or get better fuel economy.

more likely to knock/detonate

by **3rspecb** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:08 pm

coyote wrote:Next year you will be able to buy E85 in Australia. Just watch, that's what all the big hp cars that run on pump fuel will be using.

E85 already in AUS. United has a couple of petrol stations in NSW & VIC.

by **3rspecb** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:27 pm

pauly_01 wrote:e10 in victoria is 95 octane. As if it would matter if you run ur liberty on 91 octane....just wont go as hard or get better fuel economy.

depending which company.

SHELL
E10 = 94octane

UNITED E10
Premium 100 = 100 octane
Plus pulp = 95octane

LIBERTY E10
Unleaded 94 = 94octane

MOBIL E10
Not in Vic yet.

BP E10
Not in VIC yet.

above information taken from each company AUS internet sites.

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