Lets talk tuning (KiDo Tunes)

Re: Lets talk tuning (KiDo Tunes)

Postby KiDo_Tuning » Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:44 am

Evozn wrote:Hey Matt, chuck me down for Friday late. I assume we meet at Altona?


Confirm shortly.

Riffnugget wrote:
KiDo_Tuning wrote:At the moment, plan is for either 14th ot 17th August to do a Casino/Lismore/Ballina run in the new WRX sitting in the driveway, keen to stretch its legs while I am home for once


Hey Matt, real keen for a tune when you're in Ballina or Lismore! Unfortunately I missed you a few weeks ago due to me being ridiculously busy... I have more spare time, so let us know when you're in that area ay


This was basically a quick retune trip for guys who fitted mods with tax returns ;) Back again in a few weeks :)

Gadgit7 wrote:Just got mine home after a touch of Matts magic. It's a different car completely and I love it. Responsive with real world torque and right through the range with still punch left at high Rpm.
The car feels like it should now :)


Cheers mate, definitely got the old girl singing!

crazyricochet wrote:Now on Lib number 3 I would like to get the 3.0RB wagon loaded up with a basic tune when you are down in Melbourne again Matt.

Friday the 4th of September suits me well, I assume you are arriving in the evening sometime, any timeslot you have available that night I'll make it but for now lets just say 8-9pm?


Let me confirm. Friday is a late arrival from Hobart so unsure yet
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Re: Lets talk tuning (KiDo Tunes)

Postby Old_Gregg_ » Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:04 pm

Got a few questions that ill ask here rather than in PM for the benefit of others. Got an Auto btw.

A lot of people in the thread have mentioned getting a dump pipe before their tune, cant seem to find why I can only assume its the easiest way to get more power out of a tune, can anyone elaborate?

Is there any risk of damage due to the retune, Someone mentioned earlier in the thread about running on S# any not wanting to risk damage, wasnt sure if they were joking. Im assuming the oil temp light still works and is still applicable.

For an auto, after a tune how does the engine react if you just flat foot it?

Is there any improvement in the manual use of an auto? More immediate changes?

What is the expected power increase from a tune?

Also when are you next in Adel ;)
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Re: Lets talk tuning (KiDo Tunes)

Postby Riffnugget » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:04 am

I also have an auto GT Spec B and am also interested in the answer to this... my mate told me that tuning your engine can decrease the life of it. He IS wrong, isn't he?

Also is it worth buying just a dump pipe before a tune, or get a full turbo back later on? Thanks
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Re: Lets talk tuning (KiDo Tunes)

Postby shav » Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:32 am

Riffnugget wrote:I also have an auto GT Spec B and am also interested in the answer to this... my mate told me that tuning your engine can decrease the life of it. He IS wrong, isn't he?

Also is it worth buying just a dump pipe before a tune, or get a full turbo back later on? Thanks


That's a laugh. Tuning your car will not decrease the life of your engine. Flogging the guts out of it will. Tuning is an integral part of making sure your engine works at its optimum capacity and safely. Those who choose to tune their cars do so not just for increased power but for better fuel efficiency and smoother running. You could have a bog stock car, treat it like a $2 hooker and it's life span will be shorter lived over a well tuned and looked after vehicle. HOW you drive your car and your maintenance routine will determine what kind of life span to expect from your vehicle.
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Re: Lets talk tuning (KiDo Tunes)

Postby kiwigene » Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:35 pm

Old_Gregg_ wrote:Got a few questions that ill ask here rather than in PM for the benefit of others. Got an Auto btw.

A lot of people in the thread have mentioned getting a dump pipe before their tune, cant seem to find why I can only assume its the easiest way to get more power out of a tune, can anyone elaborate?

Is there any risk of damage due to the retune, Someone mentioned earlier in the thread about running on S# any not wanting to risk damage, wasnt sure if they were joking. Im assuming the oil temp light still works and is still applicable.

For an auto, after a tune how does the engine react if you just flat foot it?

Is there any improvement in the manual use of an auto? More immediate changes?

What is the expected power increase from a tune?

Also when are you next in Adel ;)


I have an auto and had it tuned when completely stock. Difference is significant. Numbers can be misleading (and debated and argued). But you can probably guesstimate a power increase in the 10-20% range.
But that's not important - the torque delivery is what makes all the difference. The car will be significantly better in general "drive-ability". You will possibly save a little fuel too.

Matt will tune the car they way you want it, but he is generally cautious and would tune a stock car with a "safe" tune. It will in fact be a better and safer tune than the factory one.

Flat foot WOT on a tuned auto is better than stock. Gear changes are smoother. Manual changes are a little better, but they're not immediate like some sports cars.
I generally leave it in D and just use the paddles when I think the car has chosen the wrong gear (rarely), or I'm changing down to preempt an overtaking manoeuvre.

I now have other mods, like dump, 3-port EBC, silicone intakes, TMIC etc. BUT you do not need these to take advantage of a tune.
You will gain more power/torque with a dump upgrade and it will help the turbo/engine breathe better.
It's probably the first physical mod you should do if chasing more power. You will need a tune (or retune) after a dump install.
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Re: Lets talk tuning (KiDo Tunes)

Postby Manaz » Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:59 pm

I suspect my answers will be similar to kiwigenes, but let's do them anyway

Old_Gregg_ wrote:Got a few questions that ill ask here rather than in PM for the benefit of others. Got an Auto btw.

A lot of people in the thread have mentioned getting a dump pipe before their tune, cant seem to find why I can only assume its the easiest way to get more power out of a tune, can anyone elaborate?


The stock dump pipe is a significant restriction on your engine's ability to put out power. To start with, when you take if off, the section that sits over the wastegate is actually blocked off. Replacing it with a better (after market) dump frees up the exhaust side of the turbo, helping the turbo to spool up faster and to run harder at the top end. There's some additional noise as well, which if you're into performance tuning, probably won't come as a disappointment.

Is there any risk of damage due to the retune, Someone mentioned earlier in the thread about running on S# any not wanting to risk damage, wasnt sure if they were joking. Im assuming the oil temp light still works and is still applicable.


There's always a risk - but the stock tune is safe to the point of stupidity (literally - Subaru have to tune for stupid people to drive their cars, as does every manufacturer). Good tuners (like Matt) can get good power gains out of a car (particularly the turbos) relatively safely. But be aware that pushing more power DOES put more stress on the engine and drivetrain, and if any of it wasn't in good condition to start with, you may start to see the issues more obviously. That's one reason why good tuners insist that you fix any known issues with the car before they start making changes (Matt as an example runs a scan over the ECU, or gets you to if you have the right gear, and gets you to fix anything that he feels needs addressing). Some tuners advise replacing stock components such as the fuel pump with a higher-flow device (dw65c for example, that fits into the stock fuel filter basket) to give additional headroom.

The comment about not running S# may have been when a change is made to the running gear (dump pipe, exhaust, intake, turbo, intercooler, etc) that wasn't present when the tune was done, as these can change important parameters on which the engine tune depends. Running in only S or I mode runs lower boost levels, which are safer, and less likely to cause a significant issue.

For an auto, after a tune how does the engine react if you just flat foot it?

Is there any improvement in the manual use of an auto? More immediate changes?


To start with, your in-gear acceleration should be better after a tune than it was before. Matt's tunes help the gearbox to work better too, by feeding the TCU (transmission control unit, effectively the computer that controls your transmission) good data for it to make decisions based on.

Manually selected changes do seem faster than before, yes.

What is the expected power increase from a tune?


How long is a piece of string? It depends on many factors, most of which are relatively unique to your particular car. Stock, the GT Spec.B is rated at 180kW at the flywheel, or about 135kW at the wheels. Without hardware changes (ie just a tune), you'd expect 150kW at the wheels. Minor changes (intake and exhaust) would take you to ~165kW at the wheels (all things being well). My car has:

  • VF52 turbo
  • Kobe motorsport intake hoses (from stock airbox to turbo)
  • Process West TMIC
  • Pierburg 3-port boost controller
  • dw65c fuel pump
  • Invidia 3" dump pipe with high-flo catalytic converter
  • TCP 3" center/Y-pipe
  • STI mufflers
  • (There's other stuff, but it's not going to impact my killerwasps)

And I'm apparently (according to airflow readings) getting roughly 200kW at the wheels running 18psi boost (to be confirmed on a dyno).
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Re: Lets talk tuning (KiDo Tunes)

Postby Riffnugget » Thu Sep 03, 2015 1:20 am

Thanks for everyone's clarifications. Now I'm eagerly waiting for Matt to come back to the Gold Coast :)
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Re: Lets talk tuning (KiDo Tunes)

Postby mjp073 » Thu Sep 03, 2015 11:30 am

Hey Matt,

Would love to be in your next Sydney round!

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Re: Lets talk tuning (KiDo Tunes)

Postby rs02lt » Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:15 pm

Any plan to be back on south coast nsw since I missed out last time you where meant to come ?
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Re: Lets talk tuning (KiDo Tunes)

Postby legacydan » Fri Sep 11, 2015 6:37 am

getting som remote tunes with Matt, so far so good, looking forward to the end result and some full boost on the new turbo!
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Re: Lets talk tuning (KiDo Tunes)

Postby nixwrx » Fri Sep 11, 2015 11:45 pm

Thanks for the corn juice update today Matt!
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Re: Lets talk tuning (KiDo Tunes)

Postby jslayz » Sat Sep 12, 2015 2:41 am

Nice car Nick!

Thanks Matt for getting the wagon running the best it has.
211kwaw at 18 psi (WG pressure) feels enough till 6spd MC is done.
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Re: Lets talk tuning (KiDo Tunes)

Postby Alkem1st » Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:28 pm

Thanks also Matt. The car is literally transformed (got rid of all the surging from the previous owners tune). I'm still trying to get used to having full boost so early in the revs, surprises me every time lol. S# actually means something now!
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Re: Lets talk tuning (KiDo Tunes)

Postby shav » Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:10 am

Saw Matt last night and got a retune done since the new fuel pump went in. He was able to sort out some small things I needed tweaking with my tune and now the car feels faster again! Thanks again mate :D
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Re: Lets talk tuning (KiDo Tunes)

Postby Cree » Thu Sep 17, 2015 8:31 pm

Just picked up a new 3.0L 5EAT lib, it's definitely needing a tune.
I missed the Brisbane/Gold Coast dates, any ideas on when you'll be back? :roll:
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