GONEWALKABOUT- 230kW ATW

[GONEWALKABOUT]

There bang for buck! I seem to be repping them for others to investigate
Vipers look solid! not sure of the technicalities but i wonder if you could get the matt black glossed up. Just via a clear coat and cut and polish

[shav]

There bang for buck! I seem to be repping them for others to investigate
Vipers look solid! not sure of the technicalities but i wonder if you could get the matt black glossed up. Just via a clear coat and cut and polish

It's possible to get it done externally. there is a few wheel places that could do it, but Im of the opinion that if I can buy them like that already done, why bother?

Im keen to see how much extra power you make with the FMIC.

[GONEWALKABOUT]

It's possible to get it done externally. there is a few wheel places that could do it, but Im of the opinion that if I can buy them like that already done, why bother?

Im keen to see how much extra power you make with the FMIC.

Very true, depends on your options i suppose, i actually love matt black rims personally!

Yeah me to, its from gambit you had a 300atw setup, but il only be going to 230 as i dont have the budget for a full engine build.. But if i can recall correctly matt reckoned you could get 210 from a process west tmic

[shav]

It's possible to get it done externally. there is a few wheel places that could do it, but Im of the opinion that if I can buy them like that already done, why bother?

Im keen to see how much extra power you make with the FMIC.

Very true, depends on your options i suppose, i actually love matt black rims personally!

Yeah me to, its from gambit you had a 300atw setup, but il only be going to 230 as i dont have the budget for a full engine build.. But if i can recall correctly matt reckoned you could get 210 from a process west tmic

Im still considering another TMIC but I want to spend some money on getting the body right first. Gonna have a few minor enhancements done as well as some panels resprayed. Want to get the body looking mint before I touch the engine again. The car also needs to new shocks down the track too so I'll be looking doing that before too long. Considering Koni/Tein or Koni/Kings combination.

Anyway enough about my car, this is your thread. So after the FMIC and the new other things, will you opt for E85 or even bigger turbo?

[GONEWALKABOUT]

Im still considering another TMIC but I want to spend some money on getting the body right first. Gonna have a few minor enhancements done as well as some panels resprayed. Want to get the body looking mint before I touch the engine again. The car also needs to new shocks down the track too so I'll be looking doing that before too long. Considering Koni/Tein or Koni/Kings combination.

Anyway enough about my car, this is your thread. So after the FMIC and the new other things, will you opt for E85 or even bigger turbo?

I would go tmic if 200 club is what you want, just insurance reasons and ease of use. I got a good deal for what i wanted so i went fmic! haha. yeah body work can be crazy expensive! i do remember your suspension dilemma no solution as of yet?

Not at all i love all things on 4 wheels mine or someones else's!

Well il be getting a bigger turbo to suit the fmic, probably a precision just weighing up the right sizing yada yada but not sure on the science of e85, can i safely get more power or is 230 the max for our blocks independent of 98 or e85?
And is the myth of e85 rotting out the rubber a myth? dont really want to blow my engine up as i havnt hit 90k km yet haha

[shav]

I would go tmic if 200 club is what you want, just insurance reasons and ease of use. I got a good deal for what i wanted so i went fmic! haha. yeah body work can be crazy expensive! i do remember your suspension dilemma no solution as of yet?

Not at all i love all things on 4 wheels mine or someones else's!

Well il be getting a bigger turbo to suit the fmic, probably a precision just weighing up the right sizing yada yada but not sure on the science of e85, can i safely get more power or is 230 the max for our blocks independent of 98 or e85?
And is the myth of e85 rotting out the rubber a myth? dont really want to blow my engine up as i havnt hit 90k km yet haha

They are valid concerns. I had an AU falcon which I supercharged and ran on mixture of E85 (40%)/98 (60%). All I did was add 60lb injectors and Walbro fuel pump and got it tuned to suit. The rest of the motor and driveline was stock. Run the car like that for 2 years straight, no issues with rubbers or lines etc. Only thing I needed to do was change from the paper fuel filter to the metal ones. Other than that the car went hard and scared quite a few cars at the lights. I based it down to adequate tune, and making sure I had the right gear to suit. The reason why I couldnt run full E85 was the injector size even though was larger than stock was still under sized for it's use and I never got around to getting bigger ones. It did add another 15rwkw to the power output though which in my opinion for the sake of fun was worth it. Beauty about that car was that the engines are only worth $250 at the wreckers, so I didnt care if I blew that motor up, it was a cheap fix to replace. Bit different with these motors though. I tend to tread a lot more carefully in comparison.

180-200kw at the wheels the dead set max I ever want to run in this car. It's fairly quick as it is now and I know I could push for more, but frankly Im getting a bit over pushing limits and not knowing where it might end. Plus I got priorities in other areas. Been throwing the idea around about getting another car in a years time, but havent really found anything as good as the Gen4's. If anything, the VW Golf R wagon appeals but I'd probably wait 3-4 years before I'd consider it pricewise.

You seem to be pretty clued up on what avenue you want to take. Knowledge is power at the end of the day. I know it doesnt hurt to keep researching more on subjects you intend on participating in.

I'll write an update in my thread on what my intentions are with my car so I dont hijack yours. lol

[GONEWALKABOUT]

180-200kw at the wheels the dead set max I ever want to run in this car. It's fairly quick as it is now and I know I could push for more, but frankly Im getting a bit over pushing limits and not knowing where it might end. Plus I got priorities in other areas. Been throwing the idea around about getting another car in a years time, but havent really found anything as good as the Gen4's. If anything, the VW Golf R wagon appeals but I'd probably wait 3-4 years before I'd consider it pricewise.

You seem to be pretty clued up on what avenue you want to take. Knowledge is power at the end of the day. I know it doesnt hurt to keep researching more on subjects you intend on participating in.

I'll write an update in my thread on what my intentions are with my car so I dont hijack yours. lol

haha for sure especially for daily driving! its just avoiding that craving for more at the end of the day haha. Yeah its a bit of a shame, i was looking on the passat thread aswell and theres very few new cars that appeal to me aswell, ignoring the fact i couldnt afford them anyway

I like to sort of know what im doing before i do it saves heart ache later on i hope!

Haha no worries i may head over there soon then

[alexeiwoody]

E85 is better for the engine for various reasons, but your headbolts won't like the extra torque. Statistically speaking - E85 on a stock EJ, coupled with a big turbo isn't a long living engine. Heads tend to lift.

Aside from that the health of your engine is pretty much down to your tune and maintenance. 230kw can last, or it can be fatal - depends on how carefully the tune is set up. Hire a sloppy tuner to push the limits of the block and you might as well start saving for a new engine.

Not sure if you meant that 210 is the limit of PW TMIC? It can (and does) go over 300atw

[GONEWALKABOUT]

E85 is better for the engine for various reasons, but your headbolts won't like the extra torque. Statistically speaking - E85 on a stock EJ, coupled with a big turbo isn't a long living engine. Heads tend to lift.

Aside from that the health of your engine is pretty much down to your tune and maintenance. 230kw can last, or it can be fatal - depends on how carefully the tune is set up. Hire a sloppy tuner to push the limits of the block and you might as well start saving for a new engine.

Not sure if you meant that 210 is the limit of PW TMIC? It can (and does) go over 300atw

Thanks for the advice maybe when i hit the 100k km il do the full service and put bigger head studs in then e85!

not so reassuring

Perhaps that was my target at the time.. ignore that then haha.

Aside from more torque down low and up high what are the other advantages of e85?

[shav]

you can add more timing to a tune with E85. It's considered cheap power as long as you take all the precautions to set up the car for it. Also depends on if you can easily get E85. For me I have to travel 35km out of my way to get it (not worth it for me) or consider an Eflex tune and that is riskier as the Eflex strength (E85 content) varies in strength from season to season, so it's harder to tune for it.

With the potential thought of heads lifting and other precautionary items to consider, you need to weigh up the pro's and con's. Everyone's situation and priorities are different.

[GONEWALKABOUT]

i have e85 about 1km away from me but the rest of tassie may be a different story haha.

The term 'head lifting' does not make me comfortable haha.

If i can get 230 with 98 i may as well go 98

[shav]

i have e85 about 1km away from me but the rest of tassie may be a different story haha.

The term 'head lifting' does not make me comfortable haha.

If i can get 230 with 98 i may as well go 98

and fair enough too. Like the saying goes, there is more than one way to skin a cat. Might cost a bit more to achieve that desired power but at least you feel more comfortable in doing it that way.

[GONEWALKABOUT]

i have e85 about 1km away from me but the rest of tassie may be a different story haha.

The term 'head lifting' does not make me comfortable haha.

If i can get 230 with 98 i may as well go 98

and fair enough too. Like the saying goes, there is more than one way to skin a cat. Might cost a bit more to achieve that desired power but at least you feel more comfortable in doing it that way.

wise words ahwell iv already dipped both feet in so i may as well keep going for now!

[alexeiwoody]

E85 is better for the engine for various reasons, but your headbolts won't like the extra torque. Statistically speaking - E85 on a stock EJ, coupled with a big turbo isn't a long living engine. Heads tend to lift.

Aside from that the health of your engine is pretty much down to your tune and maintenance. 230kw can last, or it can be fatal - depends on how carefully the tune is set up. Hire a sloppy tuner to push the limits of the block and you might as well start saving for a new engine.

Not sure if you meant that 210 is the limit of PW TMIC? It can (and does) go over 300atw

Thanks for the advice maybe when i hit the 100k km il do the full service and put bigger head studs in then e85!

not so reassuring

Perhaps that was my target at the time.. ignore that then haha.

Aside from more torque down low and up high what are the other advantages of e85?

Pros: Around 50% more torque everywhere, more power everywhere, much faster turbo spool, cooler cylinder temps and intake charge, knock/detonation-preventing (nearly impossible to knock on E85)....what else do you need?

Then there's the better smell, supposedly better for the environment lower CO2 production, less crap coming out of the exhaust, bragging rights at the petrol staion etc etc

Cons: Uses 22-30% more fuel than 98. Has supposedly clogged up fuel pumps/filters if switching straight to e85 after years of 98 (I haven't seen any sludge in mine), will attract water readily if left sitting for a prolonged period of time (condensation, corrosion, dirty injectors etc). Cold starts can be annoying if tuner doesn't get it spot on. Breaks down engine oil faster. If something gets messed up (tune wise/component wise) can quite easily bend a rod, possibly melt parts of your engine and can pop heads like a bottle opener when too much cylinder pressure occurs.

To add to that - obviously when pushing an engine for more power/torque you're shortening the working life of the block.

Personally - the switch to e85 is probably my favourite power mod. It is not like a bigger turbo or pushing more boost or getting a dump pipe etc. It's like getting a larger volume engine altogether and putting on a twin scroll turbo. Then having a supercharged h6 owner tell you that your little 4cyl makes more torque than his

IMO if you can harness it safely, it's definitely worth it. The only problem is the somewhat limited stock engine.

[GONEWALKABOUT]

Pros: Around 50% more torque everywhere, more power everywhere, much faster turbo spool, cooler cylinder temps and intake charge, knock/detonation-preventing (nearly impossible to knock on E85)....what else do you need?

Then there's the better smell, supposedly better for the environment lower CO2 production, less crap coming out of the exhaust, bragging rights at the petrol staion etc etc

Cons: Uses 22-30% more fuel than 98. Has supposedly clogged up fuel pumps/filters if switching straight to e85 after years of 98 (I haven't seen any sludge in mine), will attract water readily if left sitting for a prolonged period of time (condensation, corrosion, dirty injectors etc). Cold starts can be annoying if tuner doesn't get it spot on. Breaks down engine oil faster. If something gets messed up (tune wise/component wise) can quite easily bend a rod, possibly melt parts of your engine and can pop heads like a bottle opener when too much cylinder pressure occurs.

To add to that - obviously when pushing an engine for more power/torque you're shortening the working life of the block.

Personally - the switch to e85 is probably my favourite power mod. It is not like a bigger turbo or pushing more boost or getting a dump pipe etc. It's like getting a larger volume engine altogether and putting on a twin scroll turbo. Then having a supercharged h6 owner tell you that your little 4cyl makes more torque than his

IMO if you can harness it safely, it's definitely worth it. The only problem is the somewhat limited stock engine.

Ahhh so much potential goodness, so much potential badness.. haha. I guess its all about risk prevention strategies. Cold starts would be by biggest worry being down here, however i always let it warm up before moving. Is the oil problem prevented by just changing your oil more religiously?

Haha i have many v8 friends so this may be a necessary upgrade