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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby KiDo_Tuning » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:50 pm

alexeiwoody wrote:That actually made sense! Haha Except maybe the kca values.

Good to see the failsafe kicking in to protect the engine, but there's clearly a mechanical problem that needs to be fixed.
So I'd still say an iam drop is more serious than a few red values in the flkc. Because it's most likely NOT the the result of a bad tune, but a mechanical issue.

Now is it a vacuum leak or bad fuel or something else?


Open one of your tune files in EcuFlash
Scroll down to the Ignition Timing - Advance and open the submenu
Find the Knock Correction Advance Max Non-Cruise table

That is the ignition timing being added while IAM is on 1.000 :)
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby Zaccy182 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:27 am

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Zaccy182 wrote:Total noob, so genuinely after some feedback. Only mods being k&n panel filter and cat back with matts tune. This was pulled from my car this morning...


With the way your tune is setup the KCA value which is the IAM full advance value is 2.11 so it has added all of the timing back in that was taken out by the IAM drop but it is pulling timing at 4400rpm to 5200rpm and is a total of 1.51 degrees timing being pulled in one spot :) No knock on boost, just at around 0psi boost :)

I am in Canberra again in late Feb so happy to tweak or can email you a tune revision today :)


Hey Matt, sorry I havent replied. Ive had bad interent all weekend, nothing would fully load. Should I be worried?? We ended up resetting my ecu and I was told to take it easy/low boost for a while until it atleast relearns.

The AIM is supposed to drop to protect the engine from bad fuel right? I use 98 all the time, mostly vortex but on my last tank I used vpower... I could possibly have a small boost leak, there is no carbon or blackness around the exhaust gaskets unless the leak is somewhere in the factory up pipe/turbo gaskets. I know my catback has a small leak in it after the second o2. The engine is fine otherwise, so why has the AIM actually dropped? And again (simple terms) should I be worried about driving my car around basted on the LV?
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby Statts » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:40 am

My snapshot taken this morning

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Not really sure what everything means, but looks from the FLKC table that there is no knock? I still get a bit of a rattle when I'm booting it at about 3000-3500 rpm which stops almost instantly, so might get S&J to have a listen to that at next service. Anything in there I should take note of?
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby alexeiwoody » Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:12 pm

No knock is good. Your knock sensors are a lot more sensitive than your ears, so if you're hearing rattles with a clean LV it's something else. Not too mention the sound of the exhaust is probably louder than any knock you can hear :)

Maf scaling looks ok too, maybe that 4.5 could be closer to 0. But that's not a problem, like Matt said your ecu is constantly adjusting those values to match what's going on outside. So within 5 is good.
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby Statts » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:25 pm

Thanks for the feedback.
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby bass_straitener » Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:12 pm

Statts wrote:Thanks for the feedback.


I'm finding it hard to believe that this is the LV screenshot of a Kido tuned car as per your signature.

The reason being your AF correction D range has correction being made and by Matt's own words, see page 17 of this thread, all his tunes have 0 correction being made in the D range.

The LV looks good from a knock perspective, but I'd be curious as to what sort of economy your currently getting as your currently adding nearly 5% more fuel across the board.

If it is Kido Tuned then your AF ranges are set incorrectly and a revision is required.
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby alessandro132 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:24 am

Statts wrote:My snapshot taken this morning

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bass_straitener wrote:
Statts wrote:Thanks for the feedback.


I'm finding it hard to believe that this is the LV screenshot of a Kido tuned car as per your signature.

The reason being your AF correction D range has correction being made and by Matt's own words, see page 17 of this thread, all his tunes have 0 correction being made in the D range.

The LV looks good from a knock perspective, but I'd be curious as to what sort of economy your currently getting as your currently adding nearly 5% more fuel across the board.

If it is Kido Tuned then your AF ranges are set incorrectly and a revision is required.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but given the ECT value being only 28, it would seem to me that Chris only just cranked his car when he took the LV. If this is the case, could the A/F learning be reflecting the fact that the car is in its cold start fueling trim and thus adding more fuel to protect the engine until the coolant is up to temp?

If I'm right, then there should be differing A/F values once the car is nice and warm and has been taken for a good spin. Chris, could you confirm with another LV?
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby Statts » Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:10 am

alessandro132 wrote:
Statts wrote:My snapshot taken this morning

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bass_straitener wrote:
Statts wrote:Thanks for the feedback.


I'm finding it hard to believe that this is the LV screenshot of a Kido tuned car as per your signature.

The reason being your AF correction D range has correction being made and by Matt's own words, see page 17 of this thread, all his tunes have 0 correction being made in the D range.

The LV looks good from a knock perspective, but I'd be curious as to what sort of economy your currently getting as your currently adding nearly 5% more fuel across the board.

If it is Kido Tuned then your AF ranges are set incorrectly and a revision is required.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but given the ECT value being only 28, it would seem to me that Chris only just cranked his car when he took the LV. If this is the case, could the A/F learning be reflecting the fact that the car is in its cold start fueling trim and thus adding more fuel to protect the engine until the coolant is up to temp?

If I'm right, then there should be differing A/F values once the car is nice and warm and has been taken for a good spin. Chris, could you confirm with another LV?


Bruce / Al

Thanks for the responses. I didn't realise LV values reflected such a short piece of history. I will give the car a good 2nd or 3rd gear pull this afternoon and take another LV snapshot.
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby bass_straitener » Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:12 am

Statts wrote:
Bruce / Al

Thanks for the responses. I didn't realise LV values reflected such a short piece of history. I will give the car a good 2nd or 3rd gear pull this afternoon and take another LV snapshot.


Your LV AF corrections are since the last time your ECU was reset not the last 5 minutes or 5 days etc.

So if you haven't reset your ECU very recently or flashed a new tune, the results are valid.

The ECT and IAT are current values at the time the screenshot was taken. The most important things to look for are IAM, AF corrections and FLKC.
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby Statts » Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:30 am

bass_straitener wrote:
Statts wrote:
Bruce / Al

Thanks for the responses. I didn't realise LV values reflected such a short piece of history. I will give the car a good 2nd or 3rd gear pull this afternoon and take another LV snapshot.


Your LV AF corrections are since the last time your ECU was reset not the last 5 minutes or 5 days etc.

So if you haven't reset your ECU very recently or flashed a new tune, the results are valid.

The ECT and IAT are current values at the time the screenshot was taken. The most important things to look for are IAM, AF corrections and FLKC.


Thanks for clarifying. The tune was loaded on two weeks ago, so I will send the snapshot to Matt and see if he can make some amendments and send me back a new revision. Then I will need to read up on how to use ECU Flash. :?
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby alessandro132 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:31 am

bass_straitener wrote:Your LV AF corrections are since the last time your ECU was reset not the last 5 minutes or 5 days etc.


Learn something new every day! Thanks for clarifying Bruce.
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby Statts » Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:06 am

bass_straitener wrote:
Statts wrote:Thanks for the feedback.


I'm finding it hard to believe that this is the LV screenshot of a Kido tuned car as per your signature.

The reason being your AF correction D range has correction being made and by Matt's own words, see page 17 of this thread, all his tunes have 0 correction being made in the D range.

The LV looks good from a knock perspective, but I'd be curious as to what sort of economy your currently getting as your currently adding nearly 5% more fuel across the board.

If it is Kido Tuned then your AF ranges are set incorrectly and a revision is required.


Sorry, I forgot to address the economy question. The HUD is currently showing 11.2L/100km. I give it a reasonable blast now and then, and that includes a good run through the hills since the flash.
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby Statts » Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:16 pm

I've received a revised tune and will be flashing it tonight.
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby KiDo_Tuning » Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:07 pm

bass_straitener wrote:
Statts wrote:Thanks for the feedback.


I'm finding it hard to believe that this is the LV screenshot of a Kido tuned car as per your signature.

The reason being your AF correction D range has correction being made and by Matt's own words, see page 17 of this thread, all his tunes have 0 correction being made in the D range.

The LV looks good from a knock perspective, but I'd be curious as to what sort of economy your currently getting as your currently adding nearly 5% more fuel across the board.

If it is Kido Tuned then your AF ranges are set incorrectly and a revision is required.


New O2 sensors just fitted, the new loaded tune had AF ranges returned to stock to ensure they were fully functional and some feedback could be achieved ;)
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby Statts » Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:58 pm

Flashed the revised tune, went for a ~15min drive including both 2nd and 3rd gear pulls (20km/h to redline). LV snapshot below, but looks a bit empty to me?

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