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Re: The E85 Thread

Postby Rome_BRZ » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:41 pm

<GB> wrote:1000rpm sounds shit hot!! Plus extra power, I can foresee broken things soon lol


Haha just to clarify, it comes on 1000rpm sooner not at 1000rpm lol. I get full boost before 3000 rpm
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Re: The E85 Thread

Postby <GB> » Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:33 pm

Rome_STI wrote:
<GB> wrote:1000rpm sounds shit hot!! Plus extra power, I can foresee broken things soon lol


Haha just to clarify, it comes on 1000rpm sooner not at 1000rpm lol. I get full boost before 3000 rpm

Yeah sorry I worded my post wrong!! That extra usable power would be awesome around town
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Re: The E85 Thread

Postby rednose » Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:34 pm

Apart from bigger squirters and fuel pumps what else have you guys done to the fuel system?

Do the factory fuel lines hold up with e85?

I have been using e-flex for over a year in my XR6T with no issues.

I am now looking at upgrading the wifes Gen IV H6 to a Gen V 2.5T that will cop the basic exhaust, tmic and tune but may do a e85 tune if not much else is involved.

If the factory fuel system is able to take it then I would rather install larger injectors from the start.
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Re: The E85 Thread

Postby KiDo_Tuning » Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:46 am

rednose wrote:Apart from bigger squirters and fuel pumps what else have you guys done to the fuel system?

Do the factory fuel lines hold up with e85?

I have been using e-flex for over a year in my XR6T with no issues.

I am now looking at upgrading the wifes Gen IV H6 to a Gen V 2.5T that will cop the basic exhaust, tmic and tune but may do a e85 tune if not much else is involved.

If the factory fuel system is able to take it then I would rather install larger injectors from the start.


GenV jut needs exhaust and tune for E85. You want the TMIC heat to atomise the E85 plus E85 by its very nature is a chemical intercooler as it chills the air just before the inlet port ;)

ID1000 injectors and a DW65c fuel pump, easily see 240+Kw@wheels(just did one in brazil on E100 doing 253Kw@wheels)
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Re: The E85 Thread

Postby rednose » Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:54 am

KiDo_Tuning wrote:
rednose wrote:Apart from bigger squirters and fuel pumps what else have you guys done to the fuel system?

Do the factory fuel lines hold up with e85?

I have been using e-flex for over a year in my XR6T with no issues.

I am now looking at upgrading the wifes Gen IV H6 to a Gen V 2.5T that will cop the basic exhaust, tmic and tune but may do a e85 tune if not much else is involved.

If the factory fuel system is able to take it then I would rather install larger injectors from the start.


GenV jut needs exhaust and tune for E85. You want the TMIC heat to atomise the E85 plus E85 by its very nature is a chemical intercooler as it chills the air just before the inlet port ;)

ID1000 injectors and a DW65c fuel pump, easily see 240+Kw@wheels(just did one in brazil on E100 doing 253Kw@wheels)


Thanks KiDo,

The car will not be on e85 all the time as its not as readily available here in Australia so thats why I was going to do the TMIC.

I know very well how good e85 is for engine temps, my standard motored XR^ turbo is making 405 rwkw and has run 10.91 @ 131 MPH with minimal mods.

I am not hoping for similar results with the Gen V but a 12 sec wagon would be nice.
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Re: The E85 Thread

Postby KiDo_Tuning » Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:18 pm

rednose wrote:
KiDo_Tuning wrote:GenV jut needs exhaust and tune for E85. You want the TMIC heat to atomise the E85 plus E85 by its very nature is a chemical intercooler as it chills the air just before the inlet port ;)

ID1000 injectors and a DW65c fuel pump, easily see 240+Kw@wheels(just did one in brazil on E100 doing 253Kw@wheels)


Thanks KiDo,

The car will not be on e85 all the time as its not as readily available here in Australia so thats why I was going to do the TMIC.

I know very well how good e85 is for engine temps, my standard motored XR^ turbo is making 405 rwkw and has run 10.91 @ 131 MPH with minimal mods.

I am not hoping for similar results with the Gen V but a 12 sec wagon would be nice.


No reason to upgrade the TMIC(nobody makes one as far as I am aware) as over 200Kw@wheels is achievable in manual or auto form with a TBE.
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Re: The E85 Thread

Postby rednose » Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:36 pm

KiDo_Tuning wrote:
rednose wrote:
KiDo_Tuning wrote:GenV jut needs exhaust and tune for E85. You want the TMIC heat to atomise the E85 plus E85 by its very nature is a chemical intercooler as it chills the air just before the inlet port ;)

ID1000 injectors and a DW65c fuel pump, easily see 240+Kw@wheels(just did one in brazil on E100 doing 253Kw@wheels)


Thanks KiDo,

The car will not be on e85 all the time as its not as readily available here in Australia so thats why I was going to do the TMIC.

I know very well how good e85 is for engine temps, my standard motored XR^ turbo is making 405 rwkw and has run 10.91 @ 131 MPH with minimal mods.

I am not hoping for similar results with the Gen V but a 12 sec wagon would be nice.


No reason to upgrade the TMIC(nobody makes one as far as I am aware) as over 200Kw@wheels is achievable in manual or auto form with a TBE.


I think Kev at Process West does one.

I have been reading up in your tuning threads Matt and have heard nothing but praise.

When I am ready I will definately be paying you a visit as my current tuner (Autotech) only uses Ecutek.

To make around the 200awkw in a gen V auto on 98 ron what mods are required or recommended ?
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Re: The E85 Thread

Postby KiDo_Tuning » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:30 pm

rednose wrote:
KiDo_Tuning wrote:No reason to upgrade the TMIC(nobody makes one as far as I am aware) as over 200Kw@wheels is achievable in manual or auto form with a TBE.


I think Kev at Process West does one.

I have been reading up in your tuning threads Matt and have heard nothing but praise.

When I am ready I will definately be paying you a visit as my current tuner (Autotech) only uses Ecutek.

To make around the 200awkw in a gen V auto on 98 ron what mods are required or recommended ?


Turbo back exhaust and tune. Nothing else required.
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Re: The E85 Thread

Postby rednose » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:21 pm

KiDo_Tuning wrote:
rednose wrote:
KiDo_Tuning wrote:No reason to upgrade the TMIC(nobody makes one as far as I am aware) as over 200Kw@wheels is achievable in manual or auto form with a TBE.


I think Kev at Process West does one.

I have been reading up in your tuning threads Matt and have heard nothing but praise.

When I am ready I will definately be paying you a visit as my current tuner (Autotech) only uses Ecutek.

To make around the 200awkw in a gen V auto on 98 ron what mods are required or recommended ?


Turbo back exhaust and tune. Nothing else required.



Looks like i'll be saving some money...lol

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Re: The E85 Thread

Postby Camo66 » Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:52 pm

KiDo_Tuning wrote:No reason to upgrade the TMIC(nobody makes one as far as I am aware) as over 200Kw@wheels is achievable in manual or auto form with a TBE.


Hi Matt,

FYI - I just found this post re after market TMIC for Gen5 GT Liberty's. Hope you don't need to be registered to see it.

http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/racerx-tmic-unlocks-power-fastest-12-5-sec-1-4mi-189657.html

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Re: The E85 Thread

Postby jaydece » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:24 am

As posted by dr20t on my profile: FYI

Justin / other e85 users - I just found out the correct API specification rating for oils used in ethanol fueled vehicles.

It's API SN

Do you mind checking the drum of your delvac me to see if it is actually compliant with this latest specification Justin?

This will assist other e85 / eflex users in determining correct oil to use

For the sake of brevity ill summarize the issue for those who aren't aware:

- ethanol is alcohol which attracts moisture (thus the condensation pic Justin took of some of his engine components a few pages back)
- due to this moisture attraction, water can potentially be introduced into the lubrication system during combustion phase (unburnt ethanol slipping past the bores etc)
- ethanol has high dilution properties which break down oil suspension agents in engine oil very quickly. This means instead of lasting 5000-10,000 kms, oil will only be good for say 2500kms before needing replacement.

All Good Mick :mrgreen:

I work with ethanol everyday ( we have ink printing machines that use ethanol as a additive to print bar codes on mail pieces ) ethanol is a solvent....

http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/NAUSENCVLMOMobil_Delvac_MX_15W-40.aspx

http://www.pqiamerica.com/apiserviceclass.htm
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Re: The E85 Thread

Postby coyote » Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:07 am

SN is quite a new rating. There are a lot of SL rated oils (and many SMs) that will receive the SN rating once the manufacturers get around to it. They have to apply for a license and be certified to claim a rating.

It's not the SN rating you're looking for though. It's the "Resource Conserving" category that means the oil has shown it can be used with E85. If you see that the rating is "SN with Resource Conserving", you're good to go.

Even if you are using an SN with Resource Conserving rated oil with E85, you need to do oil analysis. I've been banging on about that as long as I've telling you guys to do your learning views.
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Re: The E85 Thread

Postby dr20t » Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:45 am

Thanks coyote

As always, a well of knowledge

Do you mine elaborating on a couple of things :

1. What sort of oils are you seeing that are resource conserving and SN compliant at the moment? Is delvac mx15w40 one of them?

2. Is there a DIY manner in which to conduct an oil analysis?


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Re: The E85 Thread

Postby coyote » Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:03 am

dr20t wrote:Thanks coyote

As always, a well of knowledge

Do you mine elaborating on a couple of things :

1. What sort of oils are you seeing that are resource conserving and SN compliant at the moment? Is delvac mx15w40 one of them?

2. Is there a DIY manner in which to conduct an oil analysis?


Mick


Hi Mick,

What sort of oils are you seeing that are resource conserving and SN compliant at the moment?


I'm currently using 5W30 Castrol Magnatec as a run in oil in the Yaris. It's labeled as SL, but has just been approved as SN Resource Conserving. I'll dump that for Amsoil Signature Series 0W30, which is also SN Resource Conserving.

Is delvac mx15w40 one of them?


Dunno. I'll look it up later today. Edit: Looked it up from the link above, "Doh".

No, it's not and in my opinion is unlikely to be. An old diesel oil like that is likely to have large amounts of the ZDDP additive. Nothing to do with E85, ZDDP kills cat converters, so anything high in that won't get the new rating.

Note that GF5 is equivalent to SN with Resource Conserving.

Is there a DIY manner in which to conduct an oil analysis?


Nup. Most important thing to test if you're using E85 is TBN (total base number). If that goes down, your oil becomes acidic and all the nice things your additive package does are gone. Basically, you're toast.

Contact a few local places, see what they charge and if they supply a kit (sample bottle, reply paid bag, etc). Make sure your sample is warm and is taken mid-stream (older guys will know what that means).

Fuel dilution is a big concern with E85, but a well tuned engine with good oil can easily go 6 months.
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Re: The E85 Thread

Postby dr20t » Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:31 am

Once again mate you never cease to deliver!

And gotya about the flow - warm and fresh haha

Interesting you're willing to go to a 0w30 oil on the yaris. I know the subies don't like anything less than a 5 weight and more suitably a 10/15.

Obviously a fresher motor will be more receptive to a thinner oil like a 5 but a 100,000kms plus subie motor I can't see lasting too long with 5w30. This is only compounded with ethanol fuels too.

Thanks again for your insights and will definitely take your advice on board.

In summary - delvac mx15w40 (or mx 15w50 if i can get a hold of it) is the go for my saugram guzzling new motor.

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