Surging around 3K rpm

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Re: Surging around 3K rpm

Postby LBR37Y » Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:44 am

i know that i shouldnt even mention the name but i was browsing google on this issue and MRT came up with a little idea and i quote

its page 5 of 14 if you wish to read it yourself

MRT Performance

[*]The first is the torque delivery of the engine – many customers have mentioned that their standard car has a surging feeling under full throttle in Sport and Sport Sharp mode. The first time we put a Liberty GT on the dyno the cause was instantly apparent. It is hard to say exactly why Subaru wanted it so, but the GT’s standard engine management system holds the engine in closed loop fuel control WAY too long (refer Tuning 101 to your right for a quick explanation of Closed Loop Fuel Control if you aren’t sure what this is). An issue on its own, but when combined with the highly active ignition timing system Subaru ECU’s use, this then feeds into another problem.
In later model cars such as the Liberty GT, th engine management system runs very active ignition timing strategies. In simple terms, more ignition timing (up to a point) generates more torque from the engine. However, too much ignition timing can cause abnormal combustion (detonation, which can be engine damaging). The factory ECU uses feedback from the knock sensor to constantly revise the amount of ignition timing being run to get the most torque possible without detonation occurring. If detonation is detected, ignition timing is reduced to prevent engine damage.
Copyright MRT Performance 2008

http://www.mrtperformance.com.au/files/ ... Y07-09.pdf
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Re: Surging around 3K rpm

Postby Dropz » Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:46 am

Yes. It can idle fine as there is minimal load but when you are putting load on the engine a faulty part can cause a misfire or surging.
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Re: Surging around 3K rpm

Postby LBR37Y » Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:04 am

anyway what I'm going to do is take it to the local mechanic and he can have a look, then depending on what he says or if he can rectify this situation i will probably carry on with mods and eventually get a tune...

but still waiting on a response where it will cure this problem
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3" Xforce TBE, Iridum spark plugs, MSR Tune (191KWatw), Alpine Dub Din HU with inbuilt sat nav & bluetooth etc, top of the line memphis speakers including a memphis mojo amp to run it all, Optima Yellow top battery to juice it, TMIC from Jacks-GTB, bigger fuel pump also from Jacks-GTB, Spec.B Badge, Rota Gravels, Brembo brakes, 5% tint all round, currently working on an engine rebuild, NEW STI Shrt Block, forged pistons, bigger head studs and all work done by MSR, Cobb Intake

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Re: Surging around 3K rpm

Postby Newbie GT » Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:26 am

Taking friends gt to Subaru today to see what they say he also experiences this but told its normal ??
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Re: Surging around 3K rpm

Postby LBR37Y » Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:29 am

Newbie GT wrote:Taking friends gt to Subaru today to see what they say he also experiences this but told its normal ??



so your friend has the same problem???

it can't possibly be normal, to my knowledge a 'normal' car is smooth throughout the entire rev range not surging.. see if you can take the subaru member for a drive and show him..

looking forward to see what the subaru member has to say, be sure to post it :)
Mods on the car already
3" Xforce TBE, Iridum spark plugs, MSR Tune (191KWatw), Alpine Dub Din HU with inbuilt sat nav & bluetooth etc, top of the line memphis speakers including a memphis mojo amp to run it all, Optima Yellow top battery to juice it, TMIC from Jacks-GTB, bigger fuel pump also from Jacks-GTB, Spec.B Badge, Rota Gravels, Brembo brakes, 5% tint all round, currently working on an engine rebuild, NEW STI Shrt Block, forged pistons, bigger head studs and all work done by MSR, Cobb Intake

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Re: Surging around 3K rpm

Postby Newbie GT » Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:26 pm

Subaru just took his car for drive and said its the normal drive by wire glitching.

I don't get it he put his foot down and it like bucks bucks bucks or hesitates a few times then goes.....

??? What ???

Someone must have an answer
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Re: Surging around 3K rpm

Postby LBR37Y » Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:29 pm

Newbie GT wrote:Subaru just took his car for drive and said its the normal drive by wire glitching.

Someone must have an answer



what did he mean by drive by wire glitching?? if its a glitch then surely subaru will rectify the situation?!?!?!
Mods on the car already
3" Xforce TBE, Iridum spark plugs, MSR Tune (191KWatw), Alpine Dub Din HU with inbuilt sat nav & bluetooth etc, top of the line memphis speakers including a memphis mojo amp to run it all, Optima Yellow top battery to juice it, TMIC from Jacks-GTB, bigger fuel pump also from Jacks-GTB, Spec.B Badge, Rota Gravels, Brembo brakes, 5% tint all round, currently working on an engine rebuild, NEW STI Shrt Block, forged pistons, bigger head studs and all work done by MSR, Cobb Intake

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Re: Surging around 3K rpm

Postby Newbie GT » Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:33 pm

Don't we wish!!
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Re: Surging around 3K rpm

Postby LBR37Y » Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:34 pm

and for an update i have a 3" XForce inc. Dump pipe on the 13th July (friday, July the 13th!!!! ooooooohhhhhh sppppooookkkkkyyyyy hahahhaha) and a tune by MSR on the 27th of July

so hopefully the problem will be fixed and no more surging
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3" Xforce TBE, Iridum spark plugs, MSR Tune (191KWatw), Alpine Dub Din HU with inbuilt sat nav & bluetooth etc, top of the line memphis speakers including a memphis mojo amp to run it all, Optima Yellow top battery to juice it, TMIC from Jacks-GTB, bigger fuel pump also from Jacks-GTB, Spec.B Badge, Rota Gravels, Brembo brakes, 5% tint all round, currently working on an engine rebuild, NEW STI Shrt Block, forged pistons, bigger head studs and all work done by MSR, Cobb Intake

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Un= Headers, Blouche Turbo, MSR Tune, Ohlin Coilys, Whiteline suspension, detail with Opticoat
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Re: Surging around 3K rpm

Postby Newbie GT » Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:43 pm

Oh awesome but I would be getti g to the bottom of your stock setup.

Shouldn't be behaving like this . Going back to Subaru this week!

You should do a video explains what happens ?
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Re: Surging around 3K rpm

Postby bass_straitener » Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:50 pm

Try this or see if you can get your tuner to do this.

viewtopic.php?f=18&t=11377&p=157163&hilit=CL+OL+delay#p157163
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Re: Surging around 3K rpm

Postby LBR37Y » Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:25 pm

i find it a little hard to believe that no body on this site who has the exact same problem hasn't got a fix or remedy to this issue...


surely someone is out there
Mods on the car already
3" Xforce TBE, Iridum spark plugs, MSR Tune (191KWatw), Alpine Dub Din HU with inbuilt sat nav & bluetooth etc, top of the line memphis speakers including a memphis mojo amp to run it all, Optima Yellow top battery to juice it, TMIC from Jacks-GTB, bigger fuel pump also from Jacks-GTB, Spec.B Badge, Rota Gravels, Brembo brakes, 5% tint all round, currently working on an engine rebuild, NEW STI Shrt Block, forged pistons, bigger head studs and all work done by MSR, Cobb Intake

Mods to come
Un= Headers, Blouche Turbo, MSR Tune, Ohlin Coilys, Whiteline suspension, detail with Opticoat
TBC...


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