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Postby Boxer » Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:13 pm

SkoobyGT wrote:To give Darren credit, he honestly can't be expected to know EVERY car that these will go into, with the tiny little changes etc on every new model of every type car.


Sorry - I do agree with the above comment,

I am merely pointing out that the product is advertised to work on ALL 98 models onwards and so there is a responsibility as a manufacturer to test the product on new models to ensure continuity or change in advertised suitable vehicles - Not ask your potential customers technical questions they should not be expected to know, and hope they do your leg work
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Postby Impakt » Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:29 pm

Boxer: I have spoken to some friends in the industry and it seems you're correct, Subaru seemed to have implemented CAN on their ECUs sometime in 2007. This means that the old OBD-II protocol they used (ISO 14230), has been changed to CAN. I'm also told that SSM II still works on these cars though, which would mean that the ECUDatascan will work. Can you check the OBD-II connector on your car and tell me which pins are still on the connector? NRG Automotive here in Sydney has recently starting selling ECUDatascans, so I'll ask the guys over there tomorrow if they have any similar cars that they can test one on.


From googling the Greddy Informeter, it seems as though it doesn't use SSM II, it uses ISO instead, which would explain why it didn't work on your car.

Also, the CAN change has affected people's ability to reflash their ECUs, which this doesn't do.


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Postby Impakt » Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:56 pm

Boxer: I apologise for not knowing the answers to all of your questions. I make these displays in my spare time, this isn't my full time job.

As a result I don't have the resources and time to be able to go out and extensively test the display on every Subaru in the market to build a comprehensive list of what it will work with, therefore (although it isn't expected) I do rely on customers and friends helping me out in these situations.

I have had many people in the past buy a datascan knowing that they will get a full refund if it doesn't work on their car. For the record, I am yet to get one returned because of this.

The best information I have for you at this stage is to check the OBD-II connector of your car. If pin 7 is there, there is a good chance it will work. If pin 7 isn't there, then it won't.
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Postby Ric » Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:34 pm

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Pin 2 - J1850 Bus+
Pin 4 - Chassis Ground
Pin 5 - Signal Ground
Pin 6 - CAN High (J-2284)
Pin 7 - ISO 9141-2 K Line and ISO/ DIS 14230-4
Pin 10 - J1850 Bus
Pin 14 - CAN Low (J-2284)
Pin 15 - ISO 9141-2 L Line and ISO/ DIS 14230-4
Pin 16 - Battery Power

(borrowed from: http://www.autotap.com/faq.asp )

Also, from the same page:
Q. What is CAN?
A. CAN is short for Controller Area Network. CAN is the newest addition to the OBDII standard and will be the required electrical interface for all vehicles beginning in the model year of 2008. AutoTap supports all OBDII interfaces including CAN.
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Postby Boxer » Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:48 am

Impakt wrote:Boxer: I apologise for not knowing the answers to all of your questions. I make these displays in my spare time, this isn't my full time job.

As a result I don't have the resources and time to be able to go out and extensively test the display on every Subaru in the market to build a comprehensive list of what it will work with, therefore (although it isn't expected) I do rely on customers and friends helping me out in these situations.

I have had many people in the past buy a datascan knowing that they will get a full refund if it doesn't work on their car. For the record, I am yet to get one returned because of this.

The best information I have for you at this stage is to check the OBD-II connector of your car. If pin 7 is there, there is a good chance it will work. If pin 7 isn't there, then it won't.


Apologies not neccessary - I'm not upset by any stretch

Good info you have provided above Daren - that helps.
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Postby jp928 » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:07 am

So we do have OBD-II sockets hiding in there? Location please?
ECUDatascan seem to be in UK , according to tracert on the web site...Can we buy these things directly here, and $?
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Postby Impakt » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:38 am

jp928: You're doing too much homework! The displays are made and sold in Australia (Sydney to be exact). The site is hosted over there. They're $300 each plus postage. Usually the OBD-II socket is near the bonnet release lever under the dash.



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Postby jp928 » Fri Feb 01, 2008 7:04 am

I found the socket on the OB. Squinting carefully at it via a mirror on a telescopic stick, it has pin 7 visible, so should work with ECUDatascan. Note that the diagram above does not specify which side of the connector its showing - back (where wires go in) or front (where plug goes in to it). On my connector I could just make out tiny numbers 1 and 8 at the ends, so I knew what I was looking at. Ordering one today.
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Postby Impakt » Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:02 am

That diagram is looking front on with the female connector, or in other words looking straight at the one on your car towards the front, where the Datascan wil plug into.


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Postby SkoobyGT » Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:03 pm

Are you thinking of making any different displays for this unit?

It may be just me but the green just looks a bit old and dated unlike newer units that can have readily changeable colours.

Is there any chance of updating the unit still with the same software specs and features, just styled different, or is this totally out of the question?

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Postby Impakt » Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:17 am

Yeah I am currently researching all the stuff i'll need to change the LCD screen for a graphics module. Since i do all this in my spare time I won't have anything ready for months and months though.

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Postby jp928 » Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:18 pm

I got my ecudatascan , its installed and working in a few seconds. Readability could be better in sunshine, sampling seems a bit fast, other than that, so far so good.

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Postby Spec B Wgn » Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:46 pm

as a suggestion...

open up another POST on your product..

you have flogged it enough on this post :roll:
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Postby Ric » Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:24 pm

Spec B Wgn wrote:as a suggestion...

open up another POST on your product..

you have flogged it enough on this post :roll:

I disagree.
He's just answering questions people are asking, and not making any extravagant claims or rubbishing other products...
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Postby Spec B Wgn » Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:02 pm

Ric wrote:
Spec B Wgn wrote:as a suggestion...

open up another POST on your product..

you have flogged it enough on this post :roll:

I disagree.
He's just answering questions people are asking, and not making any extravagant claims or rubbishing other products...


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