My new liberty with mods :)

[dr20t]

I hope I didnt come across as an asshole mate honestly was just venting about some of these workshops and the "expertise" provided.

Try to get some specs on the ATP turbo. Speak to ATP direct and find out what actuator was used and whether it's worth changing rear housing to suit an external gate.

I'd also look into the fuel setup.

One thing that stuck out at me also was the boost controller. At this level of power, you really should be using an electronic boost control solenoid to be able to maintain the boost curve and mitigate against spike or creep which could be dangerous.

Have you managed to log any runs yet with learning view?

[dr20t]

Also as tony said don't f around with these "custom" turbos go and get yourself a gtx3582 and make full boost by 3800rpm and 320kw

Mick

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i just got off the phone with atp, he wouldnt tell me too much he said it was a 60/1 mitsibishi ihi thats been converted into a ball bearing unit, said if you want one there $3500 not a 22g or td05 or 6. the turbo was made to meet the specs of the power required and said it will be fine on 300kw with a internal gate, the actuator is a one bar unit

[<GB>]

I hope I didnt come across as an asshole mate honestly was just venting about some of these workshops and the "expertise" provided.

Try to get some specs on the ATP turbo. Speak to ATP direct and find out what actuator was used and whether it's worth changing rear housing to suit an external gate.

I'd also look into the fuel setup.

One thing that stuck out at me also was the boost controller. At this level of power, you really should be using an electronic boost control solenoid to be able to maintain the boost curve and mitigate against spike or creep which could be dangerous.

Have you managed to log any runs yet with learning view?

nah mate it shits me too all the bullshit with workshops i know im in the trade lol atp said that this car had the factory tune put back into it which was said too me by revzone which wasnt the case when i sent it too them.

what shits me after talking to a few guys that apparently lots of people wanted to buy the car but nobody ever did lol all shit talkers. My car is such a slut lol

i will be getting possibly a grimspeed solenoid or an eboost or something like that im still researching my options.


what do you think is wrong with the fuel system?

[dr20t]

Ok I'm sorry if what I'm about to say is harsh:

Stop fucking around trying to make shitty things work on a tried and true combo. You have such a solid platform in terms of block and heads to make solid and reliable power. But unfortunately the bolt ons, choice of certain prdoucts and tuning is letting this down.

If it were my car this is exactly what I would do:

1. remove "custom" turbo which i can't seem to get any info about even though it's my own car, and toss with it the custom wastegate actuator rod which isnt allowing me to boost past 15psi even though ATP told me this will have "no problem making 300kw".
2. Sell said turbo for 1k to some douche on rexnet who sees 22g td05 and has an orgasm and thinks it's fully hektik and crazy an shit bro
3. Buy a gtx3576 or 82 with a .82 rear for 2000
4. Buy a tial 44mm external gate with v bands 450
5. Remove the rebranded walbro avo fuel pump or use this as a lift pump to a properaeromotive fuel pump
6. Get a proper fpr 200
7. Buy a proper electronic boost controller like an eboost2 or hks 650
8. Sell all your other shit for some money and get your car making big power once and for all

[<GB>]

just got off the phone with mrt and they wont tell me anything due to privacy restrictions, they are a bunch of wankers, they said last week if i can prove that i own the car they would let me know, now today its a different story, wouldnt even say over the phone what parts it "may" contain.... when other places have been helpfull, in there eyes the other companys have broken the law and they are bad lol they wanted me to book the car in and they could look at it and tell me stuff about it... im like yeah ill do that when i live in melbourne

[dr20t]

Honestly I feel like calling them on your behalf and telling em to f themselves

Privacy act applies to individuals not to goods.

There is nothing precluding them from telling you what's gone into the build except their apprehension of you discovering their incompetency and latency with the build.

I retract my previous advice regarding boosting this thing given no one is telling you shit so therefore you really dont know whether this motor can handle it.

F mrt seriously

[<GB>]

Ok I'm sorry if what I'm about to say is harsh:

Stop fucking around trying to make shitty things work on a tried and true combo. You have such a solid platform in terms of block and heads to make solid and reliable power. But unfortunately the bolt ons, choice of certain prdoucts and tuning is letting this down.

If it were my car this is exactly what I would do:

1. remove "custom" turbo which i can't seem to get any info about even though it's my own car, and toss with it the custom wastegate actuator rod which isnt allowing me to boost past 15psi even though ATP told me this will have "no problem making 300kw".
2. Sell said turbo for 1k to some douche on rexnet who sees 22g td05 and has an orgasm and thinks it's fully hektik and crazy an shit bro
3. Buy a gtx3576 or 82 with a .82 rear for 2000
4. Buy a tial 44mm external gate with v bands 450
5. Remove the rebranded walbro avo fuel pump or use this as a lift pump to a properaeromotive fuel pump
6. Get a proper fpr 200
7. Buy a proper electronic boost controller like an eboost2 or hks 650
8. Sell all your other shit for some money and get your car making big power once and for all

harsh lol its ok im a big boy

shitty things to work? are you talking about the turbo? this turbo may be a good thing.. who knows.

honestly i want to spend the 200 for a new actuator and see how much power it will make as i cant be fucked spending 2k on a turbo at the moment, will this be the highest power for and internal gated liberty.... we will find this out, if it doesnt make the power then i will look at a new turbo

the fuel pump system ill have to research more cause your right it may not be up to the task and the same can be said about the injectors too

whats a fpr 200? is this a fuel reg?

boost controller i will likely get still figuring out which is best

[<GB>]

Honestly I feel like calling them on your behalf and telling em to f themselves

Privacy act applies to individuals not to goods.

There is nothing precluding them from telling you what's gone into the build except their apprehension of you discovering their incompetency and latency with the build.

I retract my previous advice regarding boosting this thing given no one is telling you shit so therefore you really dont know whether this motor can handle it.

F mrt seriously

u can call them and so can everyone else lol imagine there faces if people did!!

i know the engine is good due to revzone rebuilding it due to mrt's fucking it up, revzone told me what all the goodies are in the car, which is on the first page, the engine sounds tough as, vin wanted to buy it he told me to take it back to revzone as craig down there knows the car back to front

[dr20t]

Yes talking bout the turbo, the fuel setup etc

For me it's not about whether the internal gate will make the power.

The gate doesn't make power.

The gate is a mechanism to allow control over the boost an boost thresholds. If that is playing up, to me it flawed. Why the need to risk running a "custom" so called rod and turbo when there are plenty of off the shelf workable solutions which wont give you these headaches. Personally I'd be worried even driving such an expensive motor with a faulty solenoid which may give me boost spike or creep and make it go bang.

Fpr is fuel pressure regulator yes. Worth 200 bucks for a decent one.

[coyote]

A few thoughts ...

I think you are making the right decision to try and get this setup working. You obviously knew you were taking a punt when you bought the thing, so ride it out and see if you bought a bargain or a turd.

A well designed internal gate is fine for the power levels you are looking at. Is your internal gate well designed? Who knows? This whole car is one big game of lucky dip. May as well find out.

A properly tuned 3 port boost solenoid (and of course intercooler) will do the job just fine. Note that tuning boost alone could take hours.

I can see you running out injector, not fuel pump. I don't know if all AVO pumps are the same, but mine can support 750cc injectors beyond 100% duty and maintain standard pressure without problem.

My big concern would be the engine. Anyone can order some Cosworth parts and bolt them into a secret combo. It's people who build 500, 600 and 800hp engines day in and day out who will build a good engine. That's not MRT and they won't disclose any info because they know this.

Boost it up and see if it breaks. Otherwise, you should have just bought a stocker and started with a known quantity.

[dr20t]

I just called mrt and gave em a spray

It was fun!

I asked for Brett but was told he was busy so had to leave a message.

Told the guy to ask brett to learn some common decency and to drop his habitual lying and deception, and whilst at it learn something about motor vehicles. And by the way his packages suck cock and they wouldn't be able to tell their heads from their assholes when it came to performance work, then left it with you should stick to doing oil change on Kia rios

Felt good actually.

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Yes talking bout the turbo, the fuel setup etc

For me it's not about whether the internal gate will make the power.

The gate doesn't make power.

The gate is a mechanism to allow control over the boost an boost thresholds. If that is playing up, to me it flawed. Why the need to risk running a "custom" so called rod and turbo when there are plenty of off the shelf workable solutions which wont give you these headaches. Personally I'd be worried even driving such an expensive motor with a faulty solenoid which may give me boost spike or creep and make it go bang.

Fpr is fuel pressure regulator yes. Worth 200 bucks for a decent one.

the turbo will be staying for the time being i respect your opinion but im going to give it a run and see how good this atp charger is he said it would do 22psi no worries, he custom made it for this car... we will see how the wastegate goes in time lol

i know how the gate works remember this car is running 15 so boost spiking to 20 wouldnt be bad provided its got enough fuel and doesnt ping lol

looks like the car is running a factory boost solinoid as for the fuel reg im not 100% sure what its got but i think its stock with mrt fuel rails....its got t peices in both feeding and return fuel lines

my plan is to upgrade the fuel reg, the pump im not sure about yet i might pull it out of the tank and have a look see what it is and i might even do some full throttle stuff with a fuel gauge and see what its doing under load...
i will do a boost controler/ solenoid... strange its still running stock lol
i will change the actuator and tune the thing see how much psi it can hold and if its going to have issues if it doesnt hold or does have issues i will get them to tune it to where its safe and ill look at now turbos..

the guys at revzone want to check for pressure drop across the cooler and change the intercooler piping at some stage soon

[<GB>]

A few thoughts ...

I think you are making the right decision to try and get this setup working. You obviously knew you were taking a punt when you bought the thing, so ride it out and see if you bought a bargain or a turd.

A well designed internal gate is fine for the power levels you are looking at. Is your internal gate well designed? Who knows? This whole car is one big game of lucky dip. May as well find out.

A properly tuned 3 port boost solenoid (and of course intercooler) will do the job just fine. Note that tuning boost alone could take hours.

I can see you running out injector, not fuel pump. I don't know if all AVO pumps are the same, but mine can support 750cc injectors beyond 100% duty and maintain standard pressure without problem.

My big concern would be the engine. Anyone can order some Cosworth parts and bolt them into a secret combo. It's people who build 500, 600 and 800hp engines day in and day out who will build a good engine. That's not MRT and they won't disclose any info because they know this.

Boost it up and see if it breaks. Otherwise, you should have just bought a stocker and started with a known quantity.

i knew it was a punt... im a mechanic but ive been off the tools for a few years so if it breaks ill be able to do lots of work myself.. im just learning about higher hp boxer engine cars.. if it was a VL it would be different.

who knows if the gate is well designed atp just said it was a one off thats huge and awesome lol only time will tell

the engine should be fine if revzone built it right, i have faith in them at this stage...

i got it cheap so if shit happens well i can cry about it then

[<GB>]

I just called mrt and gave em a spray

It was fun!

I asked for Brett but was told he was busy so had to leave a message.

Told the guy to ask brett to learn some common decency and to drop his habitual lying and deception, and whilst at it learn something about motor vehicles. And by the way his packages suck cock and they wouldn't be able to tell their heads from their assholes when it came to performance work, then left it with you should stick to doing oil change on Kia rios

Felt good actually.

u srs thats mad... ur a mad kunt lol

the guy kinda hung up on me when i said not to worry about it as they are too hard lol