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Re: Approval from RTA needed to raise or lower car suspension

Postby senator » Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:45 am

blacknwhite wrote:Imagine coppers with a tape and a list of hieght measurements for every car sold................so much easier to target BOV and open air pods (NSW specific)


On my previous car I had the note book tricked used, the office claimed his little note pad was 100mm in length, he placed it under car, claimed the car was too low and started writing his ticket……… lucky I had my drafting gear in the back seat, pulled out a set square and measured his note book which he left on my bonnet……..125mm. The officer admitted his error, we both went on our merry way,

I know this trick has been used time and time again

Moral of the story, if they want to book you, they will, and its your right to prove it, either on the spot or later down the track.

I guess if you don’t make a spectacle of yourself on the road you will not be targeted………
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Re: Approval from RTA needed to raise or lower car suspension

Postby sinist4 » Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:47 pm

note to self. keep set square in car or total station hahaha
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Re: Approval from RTA needed to raise or lower car suspension

Postby DJC » Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:52 pm

GTSPECB STI wrote:Any vehicle that is raised or lowered after August 1 will have to carry a certificate stating that the modifications confirm to safety standard requirements.


Start lowering those cars kids!! You've got two weeks. No excuses now.
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Re: Approval from RTA needed to raise or lower car suspension

Postby coyote » Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:01 pm

My car has standard suspension, but the springs may have sagged a bit.

Hang on, I live in Queensland! Just another reason why it sucks to be a Cockroach.

Seriously, if there's no "acceptable range", every car that has traveled more than 20,000km will be lower than standard and hence defectable.
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Re: Approval from RTA needed to raise or lower car suspension

Postby senator » Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:27 pm

coyote wrote:
Hang on, I live in Queensland! Just another reason why it sucks to be a Cockroach.

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i guess since your getting the beer lines, we will let that one pass,
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Re: Approval from RTA needed to raise or lower car suspension

Postby RXWAG » Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:41 pm

How will they be able to prove you did it before or after aug 1? I mean I want to lower my car soon anyway but if i get a friend to do it how will they know?

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Re: Approval from RTA needed to raise or lower car suspension

Postby sheppo9 » Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:42 pm

HellKnight wrote:
Lets be serious for a moment though... who here has actually lowered their car by 50mm or more?

-Martin.


Me, but I have an Outback...

Is there a loophole so you can drive to another state and get the car lowered there?
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Re: Approval from RTA needed to raise or lower car suspension

Postby smythie » Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:15 pm

RXWAG wrote:How will they be able to prove you did it before or after aug 1? I mean I want to lower my car soon anyway but if i get a friend to do it how will they know?

F*$kin wankers....

They'll probably try to enforce it retrospectively. Probably similar to the way that they tried to crack down on bikes with "loud" exhausts 4 or 5 years ago. The effort put the frights up riders for a while then after a year or two when they realised it was too hard to police effectively and that it was achieving nothing, they gave up on the idea
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Re: Approval from RTA needed to raise or lower car suspension

Postby BUDDAH » Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:24 am

I have seen many police accident reports over the years .After a faultily or an accident where criminal charges have been laid all vehicles involved are tightly scrutinied looking for any faulty workmanship poor maintenance and car symmetry which is NON standard this information is then calculated with road conditions ect to establish whether any other factors contributed to the accident. The bad news is this information is available to the insurer :shock: and in a case of non legal modifications their policy is canceled ie they do not pay for damage replacement injury ect ect ect whether at fault or not :shock:

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Re: Approval from RTA needed to raise or lower car suspension

Postby GTB Liberty » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:09 am

Another nail being banged into the coffin of an individual's rights by the nanny state. Everything that we understand as freedoms and rights are being erroded.

As quoted above , "we" are now required to prove legality rather than the "state" proving illegality. Innocent before guilty? Not any more.
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Re: Approval from RTA needed to raise or lower car suspension

Postby SLY60L » Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:02 am

Guys express your concerns for these stupid laws by way of an email, letter of phone call... If you've got an issue with the proposition, and I strongly suggest that you should, then perhaps take five minutes to contact Mr. Michael Daley, the douche...er, gentleman, behind this knee-jerk-reaction, half-baked law.

Michael Daley's CBD Office number is 9228 5665.
His Maroubra Office number is 9349 6440.
The General Enquiries number for the above topic is 1300 137 302.

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Re: Approval from RTA needed to raise or lower car suspension

Postby Arith » Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:41 am

Thank goodness this stupid regulation has been delayed for the time being.

This is from the MRT Newsletter (yes, I still receive it):

"We reported last week on our website that the NSW Minister for Roads, Hon Michael Daley, was planning to introduce new regulations from August 1st in regards to suspension modification.

Under the guise of attempting to hamper modifications undertaken by 'car hoons' the Minister has outlined changes in regulations that would cause havoc for both the automotive industry and the 1000's of drivers on NSW roads with minor, currently legal suspension modifications. Many of the modifications outlined in the proposed regulations will require engineering approval for suspension modifications that are completely legal in EVERY other state in Australia, making this scenario totally unworkable.

After lobbying from the AAAA (Australian Automotive Aftermarket Association) and other affected groups, the Minister has agreed to delay the implementation of VSI 50 (which was scheduled to come into force on 1 August) to enable adequate stakeholder input to ensure that the final regulation is workable and does not unduly impact on industry and car owners seeking to make their vehicles safer. A working group including representatives from the NSW Centre for Road Safety, Four Wheel Drive NSW-ACT and the AAAA will be formed to work through the regulation in detail. A copy of the press release from the Minister announcing this development is attached.

In discussions the AAAA are confident that the final regulation will allow for “self certification” of suspension modifications of plus or minus 50mm without the need for an RTA engineer to sign off on the vehicle. Further details on the regulation and implementation timeframe will be circulated once the working group meets."

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Re: Approval from RTA needed to raise or lower car suspension

Postby cpitts » Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:44 am

Whilst I think this is a case of overpolicing, I do believe that suspension modifications that significant (over 2 inch lowering) should be done/signed off by a suspension specialist to state that the car is in a state that's fit for driving.

Cut springs on standard shocks is a recipe for handling disaster.
Even placing 2 inch lower springs on standard shocks is a recipe for handling issues.

While I think this blanket law is going too far, there needs to be a bit more rigor put around suspension mods that are 'significant'.

Mind you, it'd be easier for the cops to just get out there with tyre pressure gauges and eye-balls and inspect every car they walk past and fine people for unsafe vehicles with BALD tyres and massive underinflation (<20psi) in their tyres.
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Re: Approval from RTA needed to raise or lower car suspension

Postby ThirstyAs » Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:15 am

When it does get introduced you will probably find that suspension places will end up getting certified to do the modification to your suspension and will simply be not much more than having a receipt from a certified company/person who carried out the modifcation.

It is in the interests of these companies that they will get a certifcation system happening at point of installation or else some people will think its all too hard and not bother, hence they lose business.

And dont be fooled by thinking if you get it done before a certain time you'll be exempt, it will come out for everything on the road.

4x4 drivers arent happy either.... They can only go up 2". The current law states the vehicle can only be raised 2" without having to perform a swerve test. So take a 100series Toyota Cruiser or GU Nissan Patrol. They have an quivilent of 31" diameter tyre standard. Most common improvement is to go to 33" tyres (yes larger is still common but 33" most common)
These larger tyres can rub when the vehicle is off road, so a suspension lift is needed. Without having to perform a swerve test for the RTA a lot of people just get a 2" lift (cos fat chicks cant jump) but combined with the incresed diameter tyres which will increase the vehicles height by 1 "at the hub, they now have a total of 3" of lift which is technically illegal. Yet these were an everyday modification for people to make their vehicles suit Australain conditions which technically you now cant do. Hence I got out of my beloved fourby and returned to something more civilised.

Years ago my father once told me, if you want a fast car, buy a fast car, dont buy something else and try and make it faster. He was right, cos now at the end of the day, the law is just going to make it tougher and more costly. So I bought STi Lib, its the package i want, and the cops can't do much to me cos its standard.

Someone in this thread asked if lowering your car will affect stability control. Well yes it will, while your car may have slightly better handling, the control system was optimised for as the vehicle rolled off the production lines for the conditions it was to encounter. Now you may be thinking that you have made it better.... your car will go harder without it needing to kick in. But when you do reach the level where it needs to engage on your modified suspension, you may be passed the point where it is still able to help you. Obviously mild changes arent going to be a big deal,, but the more you change its handling, the less the system will be able to help. Just ask my mate with his 350Z that he fitted twin turbos to.... traction control is a laugh, its got no chance even in the dry in 4th gear, but then we never expected it would. :twisted: While we all lauded the introduction of safety features like stability control and airbags etc, it is these very things that the government now have to legislate for so that they still perform properly, afterall arent they trying to make it an ADR for stability control in every new vehicle because of it perceived safety benefits? It was the airbag that was the final nail in the coffin for the 5 poster bullbar that so many country boys love on their BnS utes. Yeah I know a WB doesnt have airbags but they have to make it across the board to be fair. We perceive it as bull, they have a job to do.
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