6MT Centre Differential Rebuild Project

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Re: 6MT Centre Differential Rebuild Project

Postby BillyCorgi » Sat Feb 22, 2020 12:16 pm

Some Mechanical Failures

We mentioned mechical failures. Here is an example of a mechanical failure within a centre diff. The forces generated by the failing centre diff viscous coupling have overloaded the differential gears and taken out the pinion shaft and the internal bores of the two pinion gears.
The thrust loads on the pinion gears have also damaged the faces of the two spherical thrust washers.

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Re: 6MT Centre Differential Rebuild Project

Postby Kubanec » Tue May 19, 2020 5:51 am

Hello,

yours work looks so good, very precise.
Can i have one question about volume of silicone oil inside differential, you using 50 g of oil or filling absolutely full only after leaking through the balls in the cover?
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Re: 6MT Centre Differential Rebuild Project

Postby BillyCorgi » Tue May 19, 2020 11:55 pm

Kubanec wrote:Hello,

yours work looks so good, very precise.
Can i have one question about volume of silicone oil inside differential, you using 50 g of oil or filling absolutely full only after leaking through the balls in the cover?
Thank you


Filling absolutely full after leaking through the balls in the cover.
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Re: 6MT Centre Differential Rebuild Project

Postby BillyCorgi » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:43 pm

Hello blog followers.

Just a quick tally and we think that we have rebuilt around 585 Subaru centre diffs to date, possibly 590 if the ones in the family R&D cars are also counted.
The proess has become pretty routine and the black magic and witchcraft that haunted us in the beginning has been removed from the process.

So, what have we learned in our journey so far?
Here are a few random things, in no particular order.....

(a) The TY86 6MT centre diffs are the best of all the units. The internal components are case hardened and nitrided. The components are extremely robust and do not wear.
The 6MT units have one weakness, and that is the thrust washer behind the side gear. When the centre diffs fail and the viscous fluid expands, the clearance in the differantial gears can close up and when it becomes interfearence, the thrust washer can be chewed out. Bad ju-ju.
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(b) The TY75 5MT centre diffs and the TY75 6MT centre diff components are not case hardened and some parts are soft.
The weakness of these centre diffs are the cap can be worn by the differential side gear and score the support diameter on the cap.
A number of these we turn the cap, Loctite on a sleeve and refinish the sleeve to the original condition.
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(c) The other weakness of the TY75 5MT centre diff is the stupid spiral circlip Subaru has used on the diffs to retain the end cap.
When the silicone fluid expands and thw centre diffs fail, the high hydraulic forces generated can push the sprial circlip out of its groove. When this happens the circlip can jump into the transfer gears and munt them up big time.
It is good to see that Subaru have stopped using thse stupid spiral circlips on the OEM repalcement part 5MT centre diffs.
CorgiWerx WILL NOT USE these spiral type circlips and all our centre diffs are built with the "C" type circlip. Good ju-ju.

BAD BAD BAD BAD
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GOOD GOOD GOOD GOOD
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(d) Threre are a number of failure modes for the centre diff, some occur independantly, and sometimes they occur together.
The most common failure is where the silicone fluid expands when it fails and all the clearances in the gearset close up and become interfearance. In this mode the little pinion gears refuse to turn, binding up the diff.
Another mode is where the poly-dimethyl- siloxane silicone fluid breaks down and the carbon preciptates out of the methyl moleule. When this happens the carbon coats the plates in the clutch pack and the plates do no want to slide past each other, binding up the diff.
The other failure mode is where the silicone fluid is so severty overheated that the fluid begins to vulcanise and just goes thick-as.

(e) We measure each and every diff we receive during the rebuild process.
We meausre the intenal clearance within the centre diff viscous coupling cavity to determine the clearance inside the cavity for the stacked clutch plate pack. The clearance is about 0.80 to 0.90mm within the cavity for the clutch pack.
We also measure the clearance within the differential gearset. We have found that Subaru's own clearance setting has a wide range.
We have seen gear clearances as low as 0.15mm and as wide as 0.9mm.
Our history suggests that the statistical "mode" of the bell curve is about 0.4 to 0.5mm.
If the clearance is on the low end, the centre diff may fail through clearance reduction by fluid expansion earlier than a wider clearance unit.
All CorgiWerx centre diffs are set to a gear clearance of 0.45 to 0.50mm.
Our assembly process ensures that this clearance is individually adjusted and then maintained during assembly and fluid charging, so when the centre diff if finally closed and the cap fitted and sealed, the gearset clearance is maintained per our tight specification.

Maybe more later.

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Re: 6MT Centre Differential Rebuild Project

Postby bigBADbenny » Sun Oct 25, 2020 5:57 am

MOAR!!! :good:
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Re: 6MT Centre Differential Rebuild Project

Postby fedaykin » Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:56 pm

:clapping: great work mateys
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Re: 6MT Centre Differential Rebuild Project

Postby BillyCorgi » Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:45 pm

Hi there Blog followers,

In the last few days we have been putting through a batch of Centre Diffs and have come across a number that have been filled with gearbox oil.
I do not know just who is doing it but it does not work.
Gearbox oil does not handle the heat and does not have the required lubricity to protect the innards of the centre diff.
One day we might find out which turkey is doing this.

During 2020 we shipped a replacement centre diff to a customer who said she had had a rebuilt centre diff installed and it too had begun binding again. When we received that exchange unit back, it too was filled with gearbox oil.

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Re: 6MT Centre Differential Rebuild Project

Postby nvmylh » Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:02 pm

Are these all NSW based dodgy rebuilds or from somewhere else? Can't wait to to see who it is! haha
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Re: 6MT Centre Differential Rebuild Project

Postby Yowie » Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:24 pm

Are these all NSW based dodgy rebuilds ...?


Let's go with that. I reckon the Waratahs have something to do with it.
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Re: 6MT Centre Differential Rebuild Project

Postby BillyCorgi » Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:32 am

nvmylh wrote:Are these all NSW based dodgy rebuilds or from somewhere else? Can't wait to to see who it is! haha


The coustomer in question is associated with a Subaru dealership in Melbourne.
I am aware of one Melbourne based enterprise that once offered rebuilt centre diffs on ebay.
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Re: 6MT Centre Differential Rebuild Project

Postby nvmylh » Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:39 am

Interesting, I did just find a suspect looking subaru specialist (of no fixed address) who advertises this service.. :ninja:
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Re: 6MT Centre Differential Rebuild Project

Postby BillyCorgi » Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:30 pm

nvmylh wrote:Interesting, I did just find a suspect looking subaru specialist (of no fixed address) who advertises this service.. :ninja:


Well SOD me.
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Re: 6MT Centre Differential Rebuild Project

Postby BillyCorgi » Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:30 am

We spoke earlier about one of the weaknesses with the 5MT Centre Diff.
It is made for soft, unhardened material and is subject to wear.

The viscous side gear in the differential runs on a diameter on the end cap
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The rotation between the side gear and the end cap wears the diameter and scores a groove into the diameter of the end cap.
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When required, these are repaired with a sleeve press fitted and turned back to the original diameter.
Here is a picture of a repaired end cap.
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If I may say, those units filled with common gearbox oil suffer a greaer proprtion of this damage.
The gear oil just does not have the lubricity to protect these rubbing surfaces from damage.


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Re: 6MT Centre Differential Rebuild Project

Postby Yowie » Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:17 pm

The viscous side gear in the differential runs on a diameter on the end cap...
The rotation between the side gear and the end cap wears the diameter and scores a groove into the diameter of the end cap....


That looks like a complex chain of events that reinforce themselves through a feedback loop in an environment where the gearbox fluid has resistance to flow.

It's a viscous circle.
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Re: 6MT Centre Differential Rebuild Project

Postby BillyCorgi » Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:40 pm

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