Lets talk tuning (KiDo Tunes)

[jacks-GTB]

it might be fuel cutting because he didn't increase - "Rev limit fuel resume"... default is 24.36psi Absolute Pressure...easy fix

[KiDo_Tuning]

As per my email Matt, not sure what you changed in the latest tune but the car feels the best it has since I have owned it. I thought it was supposed to be just an addition of flat foot shifting and launch control but the hesitation (which was still hanging around) now appears to be totally gone in S and S#. I logged on the way home from work last night in S and boost didn't see more than 13psi yet it felt smoother and stronger. Perhaps this is what fixed the hesitation, lower boost? Leaking TMIC perhaps?

I also *reluctantly* tried launch control in S# and I never knew my car had that in it (first time I ever have launched this lib, just did it for curiosity) and can't say I will be doing this again but for dragging this would be invaluable . I did notice that after I launched I hit a rev-limiter or fuel cut (also first time) and almost went through the windscreen . I guess that is where the FFS is supposed to immediately follow .

I have it set to shut the throttle to assist with the 1st to 2nd gear change with FFS if LC was just active

It will definitely not hit boost cut in 1st gear and it does not actually see the rev limiter in 1st gear(per gear rev limiter tables are active too)

Will send a revision to change the throttle in 1st gear to help with slower shifts

[KiDo_Tuning]

it might be fuel cutting because he didn't increase - "Rev limit fuel resume"... default is 24.36psi Absolute Pressure...easy fix

That is not it, I also vent the WG after peak power to improve VE and let it 'rev out' faster on smaller turbos as you already have moment of inertia after peak power so pressure drops as the hotside is no longer choked up.

[tom_kauf]

So I've just loaded Matt's (KiDo's) tune. And I'm another happy customer!
Chiptorque never replied to my email 4 weeks ago regarding an EzyFlash, and I'm actually glad I ended up with KiDo to tune my GT SpecB.

It's awesome now!! Even though I bought the car with 150,000km, it pulls sooo much harder through midrange now. I was going to get some light mods (dump pipe), but now I think I'll leave the car stock. That's how happy I am with the tune.

Idle is smooth, with and without aircon. And even though I haven't been able to test fuel fuel consumption properly, it seems better (the same average fuel consumption driving hard, as normal driving was before). And generally has no downsides as far as I can tell so far, just some things that are 'different':

I couldn't get launch control to work, but that was probably my error. Matt told me what to do now (even though I thought that's what I had done), but I'll try again tomorrow. I read a few posts back that it had to be in S#, but I hadn't heard about that before (Matt didn't mention it). Either way, I'll work it out.
I did have one WOT pull where it cut power near redline (not sure if 1st or 2nd gear), but I must've hit the rev-limiter. It was a clumsy gear-change, and was just noticeable coz it cut off more violently than with the stock tune. But it never happened again, despite many launches after that.
'I' mode requires a fair bit more throttle than stock to pull away from the lights, otherwise it just bogs down. But that is an easy habit to relearn.

Flat foot shifting is a lot of fun! And actually much smoother, compared to the shifts I was able to do previously when accelerating hard.
S and S# are both really responsive (both better than S# was stock). Peak power feels a bit higher, but midrange power is just soooo much more. Boost comes on much earlier, and quicker too. Learning View on my Tactrix shows no knocking either.

One one occasion I was going from about 60-80, and I thought "wow, that's good acceleration for 3rd". Until I realised I was in 5th hehe..... then I thought "damn, that was great considering it was 5th" lol.

Thank you Matt

[Kekotic]

It's awesome now!! Even though I bought the car with 150,000km, it pulls sooo much harder through midrange now. I was going to get some light mods (dump pipe), but now I think I'll leave the car stock. That's how happy I am with the tune.

Sorry but I have to disagree with you here.
The Stock Dump pipe and rest of the exhaust are so god damn restrictive. The fact that you can physically feel a dramatic difference in spool times and top end when changing dump pipes WITHOUT a tune is a testament to just how important it is to let the car breathe properly. Spend $1000 and get a turbo back exhaust, Pierberg 3 port solenoid boost controller.

One one occasion I was going from about 60-80, and I thought "wow, that's good acceleration for 3rd". Until I realised I was in 5th hehe..... then I thought "damn, that was great considering it was 5th" lol.

This quote here kind of worries me. If you couldn't tell the difference between 3rd and 5th that tells me your car on the stock tune was running like absolute shit. Probably 110kw atw or so and just plain bad. You are probably running 140kw right now maybe a little more. Spend 1-1.5k and get 180kw atw, it is worth it.

[tom_kauf]

Sorry but I have to disagree with you here.
The Stock Dump pipe and rest of the exhaust are so god damn restrictive. The fact that you can physically feel a dramatic difference in spool times and top end when changing dump pipes WITHOUT a tune is a testament to just how important it is to let the car breathe properly. Spend $1000 and get a turbo back exhaust, Pierberg 3 port solenoid boost controller.

That entire paragraph is my opinion of how I feel about the car, and what I plan to do with it. There is nothing in that paragraph you can disagree with. Read my comment again Kieran, I didn't say that more mods wouldn't give me even more gains. I said "I'll leave the car stock. That's how happy I am with the tune." That my choice, and my decision. Everyone plans to do different things with their cars, but my plans are cleary stated above.

If you couldn't tell the difference between 3rd and 5th that tells me your car on the stock tune was running like absolute shit. Probably 110kw atw or so and just plain bad. You are probably running 140kw right now maybe a little more. Spend 1-1.5k and get 180kw atw, it is worth it.

Lol, you have no idea about the condition of my car. You can't tell squat from reading a few sentences I wrote on a forum. It was gone over in great detail by a Subaru expert here in Tsv after I bought it. The guy here actually saw the car, on the lift, and drove it. So he knows how good the car is. It ran great. We never had it dynoed, but it performed just as well as other GTs he had driven - incl ones with almost half the km (a Sedan with 79,000km).

I've only owned the Lib for about 2 months, so that's probably the reason I'm not as familiar with how the car feels in what gear. That's the simple explanation, not your stab in the dark about it running shit. I have a free work car that I use daily for work and privately (Falcon Wagon - Auto). So even in that short time, I haven't driven the Lib as much as some people. All I said was that to me the car pulled surprisingly well in that gear.

No, I personally won't spend another $1-1.5k to get a few more kw. Not because I wouldn't enjoy the power, or can't afford it. But I've done the whole modifying thing with my 80s Mercedes. That's $30k, and years of my time I'll never get back. Modifying can be an endless pit of money, most people on this forum know that. And the end-result is often a compromise. Everyone has different needs for their car, and modyfying my Lib more doesn't fit my needs.

[bigBADbenny]

Stock with a great tune is just awesome.
Especially for your wallet and sanity

[Bezzza]

Stock with a great tune is just awesome.
Especially for your wallet and sanity

+1!
Matt tuned mine the other week, stock really except catback, filter and silicone inlet, he estimated roughly 175kw atw.
Cars behaviour is incredibly different, power is there when you want/expect it and doesn't just "hit and run" to use that fraise. It stays and keeps pushing!

Can only imagine the difference again when a dump and tmic is added and it's re-tuned!!!

[alexeiwoody]

Stock with a great tune is just awesome.
Especially for your wallet and sanity

+1!
Matt tuned mine the other week, stock really except catback, filter and silicone inlet, he estimated roughly 175kw atw.
Cars behaviour is incredibly different, power is there when you want/expect it and doesn't just "hit and run" to use that fraise. It stays and keeps pushing!

Can only imagine the difference again when a dump and tmic is added and it's re-tuned!!!

A good stock tune from Matt, is pretty awesome. Definitely makes you consider not having to modify it further

As far as guesstimating power on a stock tuned auto lib - 150kwatw maxxx

[scottb721]

Teed up my gf to babysit my kids while I meet Matt in Newy in a fortnight. She asked that I def wouldn't be left with a problem making the car undriveable an hour from home. 'Of course not' I say. Fingers crossed lol I hate being the paranoid type.

[KiDo_Tuning]

Stock with a great tune is just awesome.
Especially for your wallet and sanity

+1!
Matt tuned mine the other week, stock really except catback, filter and silicone inlet, he estimated roughly 175kw atw.
Cars behaviour is incredibly different, power is there when you want/expect it and doesn't just "hit and run" to use that fraise. It stays and keeps pushing!

Can only imagine the difference again when a dump and tmic is added and it's re-tuned!!!

A good stock tune from Matt, is pretty awesome. Definitely makes you consider not having to modify it further

As far as guesstimating power on a stock tuned auto lib - 150kwatw maxxx

Because Catback exhaust and a few other undefined tables helping bump up the output

[karlos879]

I also had mine tuned when Matt was in Adelaide a few weeks ago. Unfortunately we haven't got headers in yet, so was completely stock for the tune. And if you haven't had a tune, even if you will never do any other mods at all, you MUST get this tune from Matt. It has completely transformed the car. Now it really is fun to drive!
The best money you will spend on this glorious machine!
Thanks Matt!
Karl.

[alexeiwoody]

Yep, I factored the catback in there

We all know that the tune is about how the car drives and not numbers. I also really liked your stock tune Matt when I had it. I just feel it's weird for you to give out numbers, when those numbers won't match any similar car with a dyno slip? And then those guys compare their numbers with everyone and say, my tuner is better than yours etc. Or post their estimate power in their signature and leave the rest to scratch our heads.

I very respectfully bet you $200 that that car won't pull up more than 160kw on any normal dyno, with your normal safe tune on it. I.e. the tune on the ECU now.

Again I don't think it matters. At all. I believe that car drives better than most tuners could get it to. I just think you should compare apples to apples here.
Cheers

[Shaheenis]

Interesting, I have had two road tunes and many email update tunes from Matt and never once a suggestion of power as I am not really interested and never asked. I am guessing some people just wanna know 'how much power do you reckon it is making', ask the question and get an answer - estimate, from someone who is quite experienced to do so. I have never been interested in max kws, I reckon I could ask Matt in my next tune to increase the max power output by 10% and he probably could at the sacrifice of drive-ability and response. You will get what you ask for .

[KiDo_Tuning]

Yep, I factored the catback in there

We all know that the tune is about how the car drives and not numbers. I also really liked your stock tune Matt when I had it. I just feel it's weird for you to give out numbers, when those numbers won't match any similar car with a dyno slip? And then those guys compare their numbers with everyone and say, my tuner is better than yours etc. Or post their estimate power in their signature and leave the rest to scratch our heads.

I very respectfully bet you $200 that that car won't pull up more than 160kw on any normal dyno, with your normal safe tune on it. I.e. the tune on the ECU now.

Again I don't think it matters. At all. I believe that car drives better than most tuners could get it to. I just think you should compare apples to apples here.
Cheers

FYI: Perth uses Hub dynos so I was doing the comparison to the dynos they use there due to the members location. I am sure if Bezza throws it on the EVO-R dyno or the RPW Dyno, it will make the quoted power as I retuned one that previously had 165Kw on a local dyno with similar mods on my last visit They are considered a 'normal' dyno
5EAT MY11 STi Impreza I tuned went 320whp on a Hub dyno in Perth on 18psi... backed it up with its time at the drags strip though!