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[shav]

Thanks again Ben for letting me get my details up for analysis. Just looking at those values and comparing it to others it looks like there needs to be a revision done and soon. Matt, can this be done when you next visit SA this month please?

Thoughts out there LV guru's?

[bass_straitener]

Matt took one directly after the dyno and a 20 min test drive and there was zero knock, he also said that of 2 hours on the dyno he heard absolutely no knock using the knock ears. He even increased the timing by 2 degrees to try find some knock and didn't get any, and then he returned the timing back.

I haven't had to drive the car since the dyno so have done no logs or LV, but I'll be taking an LV later today. An LV doesn't really give you that big of an insight anyway. The fact my car had zero knock on a dyno is more indicative than a learning view snapshot.

Apparently my car had zero knock on the dyno but a week later IAM = 0.875. Same tank of fuel too.

[<GB>]

Matt took one directly after the dyno and a 20 min test drive and there was zero knock, he also said that of 2 hours on the dyno he heard absolutely no knock using the knock ears. He even increased the timing by 2 degrees to try find some knock and didn't get any, and then he returned the timing back.

I haven't had to drive the car since the dyno so have done no logs or LV, but I'll be taking an LV later today. An LV doesn't really give you that big of an insight anyway. The fact my car had zero knock on a dyno is more indicative than a learning view snapshot.

i think real life driving is better than a dyno room sorry, was the car run on a 43 d day? what brand fuel? all these thing come to mind

[bass_straitener]

Thanks again Ben for letting me get my details up for analysis. Just looking at those values and comparing it to others it looks like there needs to be a revision done and soon. Matt, can this be done when you next visit SA this month please?

Thoughts out there LV guru's?

Too much red in the high load areas for my liking but that's just my view.

IAM is still 1.0 so still not too significant.

Ideally you shouldn't have any knock correction being made.

Your knock control is doing its job.

And yes get a revision sourced as if you're an earlier customer of Matt's he's since changed quite a few things. AVCS tables and Boost Management come to mind.

He's even admitted on OzFoz his boost error management was not ideal and most likely an issue. I did point it out to him a while back that it was causing overboost and oscillation. But what would I know...

[shav]

Too much red in the high load areas for my liking but that's just my view.

IAM is still 1.0 so still not too significant.

Ideally you shouldn't have any knock correction being made.

Your knock control is doing its job.

And yes get a revision sourced as if you're an earlier customer of Matt's he's since changed quite a few things. AVCS tables and Boost Management come to mind.

He's even admitted on OzFoz his boost error management was not ideal and most likely an issue. I did point it out to him a while back that it was causing overboost and oscillation. But what would I know...

Thanks Bruce. Appreciate your feedback. So should I drive sedate till a revision can be sourced from Matt directly?

I'll PM/email Matt about his thoughts on the process. I assume Ben has forwarded on the logs to Matt that we were able to get last night.

Any other advice you can offer Bruce?

[bass_straitener]

Thanks Bruce. Appreciate your feedback. So should I drive sedate till a revision can be sourced from Matt directly?

I'll PM/email Matt about his thoughts on the process. I assume Ben has forwarded on the logs to Matt that we were able to get last night.

Any other advice you can offer Bruce?

You can drive fairly normally as the knock management is doing it's job and the extent is not severe enough to warrant any drastic action.

Don't reset your ECU however.

Whilst Matt hasn't provided an explanation as to the cause I'd not be redlining it though or doing any traffic light drags.

[shav]

You can drive fairly normally as the knock management is doing it's job and the extent is not severe enough to warrant any drastic action.

Don't reset your ECU however.

Whilst Matt hasn't provided an explanation as to the cause I'd not be redlining it though or doing any traffic light drags.

Roger that.

Just to let you know my driving style. Its spirited but not aggressive, and only on rare occasions. I also tend to short shift the paddles and not let the car red line out of habit. (I used to own a Ford which had lots of low down torque). My driving consists of 10km highway, and 20km city traffic of between 0-60kph and peak hour traffic. I haven't even taken the car in the hills yet to give it a bit!

Should I tone it down more?

[bass_straitener]

Roger that.

Just to let you know my driving style. Its spirited but not aggressive, and only on rare occasions. I also tend to short shift the paddles and not let the car red line out of habit. (I used to own a Ford which had lots of low down torque). My driving consists of 10km highway, and 20km city traffic of between 0-60kph and peak hour traffic. I haven't even taken the car in the hills yet to give it a bit!

Should I tone it down more?

Sounds fine.

Would also be interesting to see what dr20t, Mick, thinks about the LV and if any behaviour needs to be modified in the interim. He's been spending a lot more time understanding Matt's tuning style and LV output and knock management strategy.

I'm possibly at the other extreme, slightly OCD, where I like to see no FLKC registering regardless of how I drive and in any conditions. That goes for overboost and AF corrections being minimal.

[shav]

Roger that.

Just to let you know my driving style. Its spirited but not aggressive, and only on rare occasions. I also tend to short shift the paddles and not let the car red line out of habit. (I used to own a Ford which had lots of low down torque). My driving consists of 10km highway, and 20km city traffic of between 0-60kph and peak hour traffic. I haven't even taken the car in the hills yet to give it a bit!

Should I tone it down more?

Sounds fine.

Would also be interesting to see what dr20t, Mick, thinks about the LV and if any behaviour needs to be modified in the interim. He's been spending a lot more time understanding Matt's tuning style and LV output and knock management strategy.

I'm possibly at the other extreme, slightly OCD, where I like to see no FLKC registering regardless of how I drive and in any conditions. That goes for overboost and AF corrections being minimal.

Nothing wrong with being over cautious. Better to err on the safe side than be complacent and be sorry later. And yes, would love to hear others opinion on the snapshot too.

[Kekotic]

Matt took one directly after the dyno and a 20 min test drive and there was zero knock, he also said that of 2 hours on the dyno he heard absolutely no knock using the knock ears. He even increased the timing by 2 degrees to try find some knock and didn't get any, and then he returned the timing back.

I haven't had to drive the car since the dyno so have done no logs or LV, but I'll be taking an LV later today. An LV doesn't really give you that big of an insight anyway. The fact my car had zero knock on a dyno is more indicative than a learning view snapshot.

i think real life driving is better than a dyno room sorry, was the car run on a 43 d day? what brand fuel? all these thing come to mind

Like I said I got an LV AFTER doing the dyno AND a 20 minute trash around on the highways, so it was both types of driving. Also it was 32 degrees ambient temp. If it was a 43 degree day I wouldn't be trashing my car around anyway because I would rather not.

[<GB>]

Matt took one directly after the dyno and a 20 min test drive and there was zero knock, he also said that of 2 hours on the dyno he heard absolutely no knock using the knock ears. He even increased the timing by 2 degrees to try find some knock and didn't get any, and then he returned the timing back.

I haven't had to drive the car since the dyno so have done no logs or LV, but I'll be taking an LV later today. An LV doesn't really give you that big of an insight anyway. The fact my car had zero knock on a dyno is more indicative than a learning view snapshot.

i think real life driving is better than a dyno room sorry, was the car run on a 43 d day? what brand fuel? all these thing come to mind

Like I said I got an LV AFTER doing the dyno AND a 20 minute trash around on the highways, so it was both types of driving. Also it was 32 degrees ambient temp. If it was a 43 degree day I wouldn't be trashing my car around anyway because I would rather not.

Cool, post one up then id like to see the a/f learning corrections

[Kekotic]

I will when I get one....
I don't have access to a laptop at home that isn't locked down with government software restriction crap (frustrating as hell we have 3 laptops at home!) so I have to drive to my mates place whenever I want a learning view.
Although I can see A/F corrections and timing in my logs directly to the tactrix anyway.

[alexeiwoody]

My LV after a week of driving on my Torqued Performance tune - cost $120. No dyno. Made 150kwaw.

My $120 Torqued Performance tune after a week

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My LV after kido dyno + road tune after about 60 mins worth of light driving stretched over 3 days. 2.5 hours on dyno, 2 more hours on the road. Cost $330 for dyno time. Made 160kwaw.

kido 2 days after dyno

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So far so good, I was happy with that. Can't WOT the car in 1st gear because it will induce some sort of boost cut and you'll think twice about doing that again.

Finally had a chance to drive the car a bit harder on Saturday. This is the result.

kido 4 days after dyno

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What are we dealing with here matt? Mechanical issue? Bad tune?

[Scribble]

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This was after Subaru fixed some stalling issue. Have to ring them this week to find out what it was, partner picked the car up.

How's it looking?

To get a true indication after they fixed this "problem" i have reset the ECU as im home for 2 weeks and will be driving the car daily. Should get a good LV after a week and will repost to see how it's travelling. Car has stock tune as far as im aware. Recently had both OCV's replaced under stat warranty and timing has come back into line so thats good.

[Kekotic]

That sucks Alexei. Will you be going back to Eric again or looking elsewhere?
I didn't know Eric was so cheap until Friday at the kebab night when talking to a guy with a MY11 WRX STi who is using him.

Also <GB> as promised


For the next revision Matt says he will remove the popping in Sports, and I will do some logs to get the MAF scaling better hopefully. My fuel consumption is pretty good (average about 10-11 for all driving) but could be a little bit better.