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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby <GB> » Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:47 am

so some guys on rexnet claim you have popped there engines, how would wastegate chatter do this?
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby bass_straitener » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:11 am

KiDo_Tuning wrote:
Like wanting me to pull more and more timing based on FLKC despite engine load remaining constant and a dyno tune being knock free except turbo dynamics fluctuates and causes wastegate noise during driving... check exrexs thread for what happens when timing is overly retarded past peak torque... EGT's rise, preignition sets in with excess fuel in bores and heat melts pistons that show no evidence of knock.

Think someone has mentioned that before...

Knock sensors pickup up noise, not just detonation.


More confusing mumbo jumbo... :lol:

Bottom line is I told you my run at Springy showed massive boost oscillation. Your WGDC and turbo dynamics were identified as an issue yet you continued till now.

The rest is pretty common knowledge.

What about excess fuel in bores increasing cylinder pressure which can lead to detonation. Bye bye ringlands... :wink:

The fact is the more I decipher your tunes I find your initial AVCS maps were questionable,now altered, WGDC tables have now been identified as an issue, AFRs of 12:1 at 1 psi boost, conservative timing. For a tuner who's supposed to have tuned hundreds/thousands of cars discovering such issues now brings on a lot more questions than answers.
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby KiDo_Tuning » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:55 pm

bass_straitener wrote:More confusing mumbo jumbo... :lol:
Bottom line is I told you my run at Springy showed massive boost oscillation. Your WGDC and turbo dynamics were identified as an issue yet you continued till now.
The rest is pretty common knowledge.
What about excess fuel in bores increasing cylinder pressure which can lead to detonation. Bye bye ringlands... :wink:
The fact is the more I decipher your tunes I find your initial AVCS maps were questionable,now altered, WGDC tables have now been identified as an issue, AFRs of 12:1 at 1 psi boost, conservative timing. For a tuner who's supposed to have tuned hundreds/thousands of cars discovering such issues now brings on a lot more questions than answers.


You showed boost oscillation from AFR's, something a wideband dump pipe log could have shown(it did) Hell, we know I tune for 13afr at 3 to 5 psi

My AVCS maps work and have worked for years... Dazz has similar AVCS and so does a few other dyno tuners ;) I just went back to stock cruise and tuned timing once the table logic was identified. Since Cruise above 2.2 is rarely seen, I had the tables mapped the same but now if we go from high acc pedal to say 1/3rd, I can keep inertia torque high.
Boost leak plus injectors = pre ignition from EGT's, something I pointed out to you hence intercooler repairs ;)

About to check ricenet when I get home, been too busy but look forward to a rebuttal ;)
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby KiDo_Tuning » Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:03 pm

<GB> wrote:so some guys on rexnet claim you have popped there engines, how would wastegate chatter do this?


One which ran a Cobb CAI for 3 weeks without telling me after it had been tuned?
Oxtails a victim of EGT's
Brams that ran out of fuel on boost

Want me to do a list of workshop tuned cars which have blown from dyno tunes?
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby bass_straitener » Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:16 pm

KiDo_Tuning wrote:
You showed boost oscillation from AFR's, something a wideband dump pipe log could have shown(it did) Hell, we know I tune for 13afr at 3 to 5 psi

My AVCS maps work and have worked for years... Dazz has similar AVCS and so does a few other dyno tuners ;) I just went back to stock cruise and tuned timing once the table logic was identified. Since Cruise above 2.2 is rarely seen, I had the tables mapped the same but now if we go from high acc pedal to say 1/3rd, I can keep inertia torque high.
Boost leak plus injectors = pre ignition from EGT's, something I pointed out to you hence intercooler repairs ;)

About to check ricenet when I get home, been too busy but look forward to a rebuttal ;)


I'm not even sure why I choose to reply to these nonsensical posts.

I'm not a tuner but I do have a dyno run that shows AFRs of 12.0:1 at 1 psi regardless of what you think your fueling tables suggest.

Out of the 15 or so revisions plus 2 meetings plus a dyno tune only the first meet and possibly 2 revisions we had to contend with any sort of boost leak.

I can't speak for Dazz's tables but I do have a TP tune, I paid for, and it doesn't have similar AVCS tables to yours. And I've got initial tunes and revisions from a few of your customers and your AVCS tables have changed significantly in the last couple of months.

Also as an FYI Bazza, who you claim as a happy ThrottleHappy customer for his S edition tune, PMed me shortly after my return from MSR requesting a copy of my map due to his tune not delivering on the promises you made. I don't why guys like this don't post publicly when they're not ThrottleHappy.

Awaiting your Rexnet response as some of the guys on there with popped engines would love to know what happened. :wink:
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby wantarocketlib » Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:19 pm

KiDo_Tuning wrote:
<GB> wrote:so some guys on rexnet claim you have popped there engines, how would wastegate chatter do this?


One which ran a Cobb CAI for 3 weeks without telling me after it had been tuned?
Oxtails a victim of EGT's
Brams that ran out of fuel on boost

Want me to do a list of workshop tuned cars which have blown from dyno tunes?


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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby senator » Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:23 pm

KiDo_Tuning wrote:
<GB> wrote:so some guys on rexnet claim you have popped there engines, how would wastegate chatter do this?


One which ran a Cobb CAI for 3 weeks without telling me after it had been tuned?
Oxtails a victim of EGT's
Brams that ran out of fuel on boost

Want me to do a list of workshop tuned cars which have blown from dyno tunes?


Don’t worry Matt, GB has are MRT built pile of shit which for some reason doesn’t make power considering the amount of billet Cosworth goodness it has…. Might be the random magic MRT turbo, but whom am I to speak.

I’m not defending anyone nor am I a customer of Kiddo, but I never seen a tuners willing to discuss their tune openly like Matt.

You Melbourne boys have been hard done by both builders and tuners….. it’s good to see some of you are finally ironing out the bugs….but do we really need to keep hearing about how you are all now hard core tuners just because you were shown how to log and spent endless hours on the Romraider forum…… not forgetting who gave you the helping hand to start with.
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby <GB> » Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:24 pm

KiDo_Tuning wrote:
<GB> wrote:so some guys on rexnet claim you have popped there engines, how would wastegate chatter do this?


One which ran a Cobb CAI for 3 weeks without telling me after it had been tuned?
Oxtails a victim of EGT's
Brams that ran out of fuel on boost

Want me to do a list of workshop tuned cars which have blown from dyno tunes?

pont where these were?

seems they are blaming u?
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby dazzz168 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:28 pm

KiDo_Tuning wrote:
<GB> wrote:so some guys on rexnet claim you have popped there engines, how would wastegate chatter do this?


One which ran a Cobb CAI for 3 weeks without telling me after it had been tuned?
Oxtails a victim of EGT's
Brams that ran out of fuel on boost

Want me to do a list of workshop tuned cars which have blown from dyno tunes?


Matt, you really need to cut down on the jargon... you are clearly making yourself look like a noob to the real tuners out there.

Customers shouldn't have to care what your WGDC, Boost Control tables, AVCS tables, AFR tables, timing tables, or even DBW tables look like. All they want is a car that performs well, doesn't knock, and lives up to expectation and hype. Clearly, it's not happening. For someone who claims to be tuning for a very long time, you are still failing on the basics of tuning... especially when you sit in the cars of those who know a bit about tuning and do your thing, they see right through it. You should be embarrassed that a customer had to point out to you that parts of your tune was causing issues that you have now sort of confessed to. To me, that clearly shows you may be in over head.

Oxtail's a victim of EGT? yeah, from whose tune? ROFL! He was a victim of your tune over boosting to 23psi and IDC's hitting 120% even after 17 or 18 revisions.

Matt, I'll meet you over at rexnet...
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby <GB> » Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:29 pm

senator wrote:
KiDo_Tuning wrote:
<GB> wrote:so some guys on rexnet claim you have popped there engines, how would wastegate chatter do this?


One which ran a Cobb CAI for 3 weeks without telling me after it had been tuned?
Oxtails a victim of EGT's
Brams that ran out of fuel on boost

Want me to do a list of workshop tuned cars which have blown from dyno tunes?


Don’t worry Matt, GB has are MRT built pile of shit which for some reason doesn’t make power considering the amount of billet Cosworth goodness it has…. Might be the random magic MRT turbo, but whom am I to speak.

I’m not defending anyone nor am I a customer of Kiddo, but I never seen a tuners willing to discuss their tune openly like Matt.

You Melbourne boys have been hard done by both builders and tuners….. it’s good to see some of you are finally ironing out the bugs….but do we really need to keep hearing about how you are all now hard core tuners just because you were shown how to log and spent endless hours on the Romraider forum…… not forgetting who gave you the helping hand to start with.

nice to hear your real opinion.... do you know how much i make now? and the turbo has nothing to do with mrt, in fact you should get your facts straight as my car was rebuilt by revzone....

i bet i spent far less on buying mine than most of the big power guys!!
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby KiDo_Tuning » Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:54 pm

bass_straitener wrote:
I'm not even sure why I choose to reply to these nonsensical posts.

I'm not a tuner but I do have a dyno run that shows AFRs of 12.0:1 at 1 psi regardless of what you think your fueling tables suggest.

Out of the 15 or so revisions plus 2 meetings plus a dyno tune only the first meet and possibly 2 revisions we had to contend with any sort of boost leak.

I can't speak for Dazz's tables but I do have a TP tune, I paid for, and it doesn't have similar AVCS tables to yours. And I've got initial tunes and revisions from a few of your customers and your AVCS tables have changed significantly in the last couple of months.

Also as an FYI Bazza, who you claim as a happy ThrottleHappy customer for his S edition tune, PMed me shortly after my return from MSR requesting a copy of my map due to his tune not delivering on the promises you made. I don't why guys like this don't post publicly when they're not ThrottleHappy.

Awaiting your Rexnet response as some of the guys on there with popped engines would love to know what happened. :wink:


Bazza made his own changes to the tune, he wanted to see the basics and even he will tell you AVCS works at low rpm high load.
I have LOTS of his PM's telling me how good the base tune was I sent him... he never sent me what he changed in the tune. Who knows what has changed but he asked for a copy of my current tune

Peak AVCS occuring before peak cylinder pressure has gains, shown that before. Here I was thinking you had read romraider enough to know everything about tuning.

So still, 25 or so issues. Even the guy who started rexnet thread showed he was issue free ;)
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby Rome_BRZ » Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:54 pm

Guys this really shouldn't have turned into a shit fest. The topic isn't even about Matt yet that's all I've been reading. I actually wanted to post a learning view from the other night but don't want to now that this constant arguing is going on.

Everyone can share their opinion but how about do it in another thread, possibly the "Members Only" thread so random guys of rexnet can't just jump on here and go running their mouths. I don't give a shit if dazza or whoever is right or wrong, you joined this forum just to post in this thread!

Some of the more mature members on this forum should really know better.
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby <GB> » Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:01 pm

Ha ha its kinda funny though rome, you should post one up and try get it back on track
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby dazzz168 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:12 pm

Rome_STI wrote:Guys this really shouldn't have turned into a shit fest. The topic isn't even about Matt yet that's all I've been reading. I actually wanted to post a learning view from the other night but don't want to now that this constant arguing is going on.

Everyone can share their opinion but how about do it in another thread, possibly the "Members Only" thread so random guys of rexnet can't just jump on here and go running their mouths. I don't give a shit if dazza or whoever is right or wrong, you joined this forum just to post in this thread!

Some of the more mature members on this forum should really know better.

Well, to avoid conflict with other members...i'm out.

BTW, I joined in 2010 mate...
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby Rome_BRZ » Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:13 pm

dazzz168 wrote:
Rome_STI wrote:Guys this really shouldn't have turned into a shit fest. The topic isn't even about Matt yet that's all I've been reading. I actually wanted to post a learning view from the other night but don't want to now that this constant arguing is going on.

Everyone can share their opinion but how about do it in another thread, possibly the "Members Only" thread so random guys of rexnet can't just jump on here and go running their mouths. I don't give a shit if dazza or whoever is right or wrong, you joined this forum just to post in this thread!

Some of the more mature members on this forum should really know better.

Well, to avoid conflict with other members...i'm out.

BTW, I joined in 2010 mate...


EDIT: look I'm not having a go at you specifically, I also mentioned current members in general. I just think that this discussion can be had in a different thread.
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