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Re: Member Profile - Bass_Straitener

Postby bass_straitener » Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:03 pm

KiDo_Tuning wrote:Sorry to hear Bruce, I have not even gotten to that email as yet although it would have been today :) 300 emails a day is my current workload whilst in the middle of moving house. As always, a quick txt message to let me know you were waiting on an email reply was our agreed contact :)

After being knock ears free of knock on the dyno with massive intercooler heatsoak(which caused low boost on the dyno but high boost on the street), I am surprised it had FLKC but I assume at low rpm. The Throttle Tip In Enrichment was since your injectors are 80% larger and we had such a massive nose dive of AFR's on tip in. Would only need 55% of the pulsewidth to get the same fuel flow as stock injectors which is why fuel economy is so quick to go out the window on throttle tip in and throws AF Correction into a mess as it goes too rich and then too lean.
That timing fix does work on a stock airbox or when MAF scaling is sorted under 80g/sec :)

Either way, I hope your happy with the day to day driveability of the car and have your MAF scaled in for the intake :)


Well I reckon that removal of timing to fix the popping on gear change was not right. It was put in after the final dyno run and think ultimately responsible for the issues with the tune. In hindsight the changes should have been made and then run on the dyno to verify they were fine. I simply trusted you, and your explanation. All FLKC was in those low load ranges. I also logged FBKC in the order of -4.22 to confirm things weren't quite right. And as mentioned previously IAM had dropped so it was on a downward spiral. I do not have a stock air box which you were aware of, and should have been considered. But it was hectic with still 2 tunes to be completed that night and it was 9:00pm or thereabouts.

With regards tip in enrichment the initial value in the stock ROM is 0.200 my initial setting was .08. There is no 55% setting between stock and my scaled injectors across the tip in settings. And these setting were far different from the other 12 odd revisions I've had of this tune. I've returned the stock throttle tip in enrichment and the car does tip in a little too much and then swing lean for a second but feels safer than accelerating from the lights seeing my wideband go leaner than 20 AFR and buck. I'll look at it again and scale it appropriately through logging and minor adjustments till its right.

With regards our contact arrangements I decided to use email on this occassion as I forwarded you the LV and tune for you to check. I've previously tried SMSing you and not had a response either so that's no guarantee either. You know your stuff Matt, now your customer service department needs to catch up.

I'm getting the car retuned on a dyno early in the new year as a hybrid tune between 2 tuners is never going to work long term..
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Postby jaydece » Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:25 pm

KiDo_Tuning wrote:Sorry to hear Bruce, I have not even gotten to that email as yet although it would have been today :) 300 emails a day is my current workload whilst in the middle of moving house. As always, a quick txt message to let me know you were waiting on an email reply was our agreed contact :)

After being knock ears free of knock on the dyno with massive intercooler heatsoak(which caused low boost on the dyno but high boost on the street), I am surprised it had FLKC but I assume at low rpm. The Throttle Tip In Enrichment was since your injectors are 80% larger and we had such a massive nose dive of AFR's on tip in. Would only need 55% of the pulsewidth to get the same fuel flow as stock injectors which is why fuel economy is so quick to go out the window on throttle tip in and throws AF Correction into a mess as it goes too rich and then too lean.
That timing fix does work on a stock airbox or when MAF scaling is sorted under 80g/sec :)

Either way, I hope your happy with the day to day driveability of the car and have your MAF scaled in for the intake :)


Sorry Bruce.....

And that's one of your biggest problems Matt? 300 emails a day????

Seriously....your only human not a machine....and this is not including your FIFO work hours, operation, tuning, moving house, working on your cars, fly in and fly out for tuning, looking at peoples logs, road tuning, responding to pm and posts on rexnet, liberty forum, ozfoz, rom raider, bricking ecu's, unlocking definitions, lack of sleep to no sleep? etc etc.....its a long list no doubt....just wow.....

Any person can see with all that on your plate....you are bound to make mistakes, miss things, make the wrong adjustments on revisions, don't spend sufficient time on tuning cars both on the dyno and on the road... etc etc... ( even though you don't mean to make them )

You have just taken on way too much for your own good.....I wish u all the best....
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Re: Member Profile - Bass_Straitener

Postby <GB> » Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:46 pm

Interesting stuff Bruce, lucky she didn't blow up
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Re: Member Profile - Bass_Straitener

Postby KiDo_Tuning » Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:14 pm

So less timing above 4000rpm made it pull timing at low rpm/low load, consider auto timing 15 degree retard on gear change... no/minimal back firing
It looks like the Cruise AVCS is the issue
That timing retard WAS in the tune on the dyno :) I just had to shift the applied tables due to the constant load on the dyno upsetting the Cruise to Non-Cruise table(same AFR's, same AVCS at that load, same ignition timing in that region etc)

I had your airbox pretty well scaled in on boost pre dyno time, wideband data logged to tactrix in the Closed Loop region would have made the difference at light load which is what I thought we were waiting on? Yes, I know you have the Cobb and Injectors, which is why it took so long to get spool sorted. Tip in 'worked' on the dyno for spool but obviously not on the road

Last few SMS's have all been call backs or txt replies within 3 hours? My wife spends an hour a day sorting emails for me, yet I can prioritise with a txt to make sure I get to it

Still happy to provide you with the Dual Fuel Map as it has/is a free upgrade to all customers :)
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Re: Member Profile - Bass_Straitener

Postby 3rspecb » Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:01 pm

Not good news Bruce. Glad you have a plan to finally sort out your car. The last few times I drove it was very bland/boring so I hope this new tuner can sort it out and get her moving.
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Re: Member Profile - Bass_Straitener

Postby bass_straitener » Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:24 pm

KiDo_Tuning wrote:So less timing above 4000rpm made it pull timing at low rpm/low load, consider auto timing 15 degree retard on gear change... no/minimal back firing
It looks like the Cruise AVCS is the issue
That timing retard WAS in the tune on the dyno :) I just had to shift the applied tables due to the constant load on the dyno upsetting the Cruise to Non-Cruise table(same AFR's, same AVCS at that load, same ignition timing in that region etc)

I had your airbox pretty well scaled in on boost pre dyno time, wideband data logged to tactrix in the Closed Loop region would have made the difference at light load which is what I thought we were waiting on? Yes, I know you have the Cobb and Injectors, which is why it took so long to get spool sorted. Tip in 'worked' on the dyno for spool but obviously not on the road

Last few SMS's have all been call backs or txt replies within 3 hours? My wife spends an hour a day sorting emails for me, yet I can prioritise with a txt to make sure I get to it

Still happy to provide you with the Dual Fuel Map as it has/is a free upgrade to all customers :)


Matt thanks for clarifying what went wrong with the tune. If it was AVCS, I think we'd discussed your AVCS setup and determined that it may have been the cause of my boost stutter and hesitation at peak load. I see in my dyno tune map you've actually increased AVCS. Whilst yes it induces faster spool could this not also cause reversion under certain conditions and can we rule this out in my tune and the reason for the subsequent FLKC and IAM drop and the boost stutter and hesitation?

After your initial post I reloaded the dyno tune with new WGDC table which were managing the boost a bit better along with the original AVCS tables, tip in tables, MAF scale and timing tables with the timing added back in the cells that were previously removed. I also rescaled the injector constant to 980cc to add a little more fuel.

I then tested the car and logged it over 15kms.

I can forward you the logs to check out where the FBKC is occurring or if you determine that it's PEKC. The numbers are sometimes 1.41 and at other times not. I'm also not sure if I should be concerned about the rising knock sum though I put this down to noise as no FBKC PEKC or FLKC is being induced. I wouldn't mind if you could confirm that for me.

Whilst your offer of the dual apps is very attractive I'd really just like to get my current map sorted so I can drive feeling comfortable it's not a ticking time bomb.

I'll email you the hybrid map now with my logs and the Learning View screenshot for examination and a response.

Thanks.
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Re: Member Profile - Bass_Straitener

Postby KiDo_Tuning » Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:33 pm

As always, happy to get you sorted out and have some time this weekend :) The MAF scaling at light load is the likely issue, using the Engine load Compensation table is tough.
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Re: Member Profile - Bass_Straitener

Postby bass_straitener » Sat Nov 10, 2012 1:52 pm

KiDo_Tuning wrote:As always, happy to get you sorted out and have some time this weekend :) The MAF scaling at light load is the likely issue, using the Engine load Compensation table is tough.


Thanks Matt. :D

Have forwarded you all the logs, snapshots and the current tune I'm running.

Will wait till Monday before texting you..
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Re: Member Profile - Bass_Straitener

Postby jaydece » Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:54 pm

Any new developments or follow up from the above Bruce? :)
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Re: Member Profile - Bass_Straitener

Postby bass_straitener » Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:34 pm

:lol:
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Postby dr20t » Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:20 pm

What's the store here?! :)
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Postby jaydece » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:57 pm

dr20t wrote:What's the store here?! :)


Who's Store? :) ehehehe


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Re: Member Profile - Bass_Straitener

Postby <GB> » Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:22 pm

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Re: Member Profile - Bass_Straitener

Postby bass_straitener » Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:10 pm

Well I thought I'd better update this thread with what's occurred over the last week.

I did get a revision from Matt on Monday night 10:57pm. I inspected it overnight as I was working. AVCS cruise was now vastly different, almost stock map similarities, tip in was returned to stock and a few other tables also had been changed.

I loaded it up the next morning for the drive in to work. And commenced logging it. I drove for about 12 kms with the new tune before pulling over and returning it to my previous tune. The logs indicated some FBKC, FLKC and there was a definite lack of power. Didn't try flogging it, as never seemed right, to test the boost management. My wideband O2 was seeing large tip in corrections on light acceleration with equally wild over corrections to lean it out. I wasn't too impressed and have decided I'm done tuning with Matt. With his busy workload and me being a bit of perfectionist I reckon I'm just not moving in a positive direction with the tune.

I've since built my own map based on advice and sanity checking and confirmation of logs. Seems to be working reasonably well so far and there no FLKC or FBKC showing in my logs. It's not perfect and I'm sure my timing map could do with some smoothing but it's safe.

I've tweaked the map to where I'm and have also restored my fuel economy. I never managed to get that 650kms per tank on Matt's tune. 450kms was the best I ever got.

I've included some pics of my fuel economy on a weekend drive to Phillip Island and back, 287kms. Managed a very respectable 8.1 litres per 100kms. Given it's Premium 100 and I'd be using a little more fuel. On P98 I'd probably be under 8l per 100kms. :D

In the new year I'll be visiting MSR who I've been getting advice from, to get my car safe, and will then be adding a couple more mods I'd like, before a retune. :wink:
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Re: Member Profile - Bass_Straitener

Postby bigBADbenny » Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:35 pm

Is the current tune a "hybrid tune"?
Either Matt/Bruce or MSR/Bruce or ???
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