Understeer/Steering problem

[jdm rsk]

its not that bad

[vp920b]

How about if I use the shock from Spec B and use the standard spring? Will it helps the car being more comfort rather than using all spec B set up?

Cheers

[jdm rsk]

How about if I use the shock from Spec B and use the standard spring? Will it helps the car being more comfort rather than using all spec B set up?

Cheers

i would have to think that the spring rate matches the shocks.

[castek]

if your worried about a harsh ride, get pedders comfort gas shocks.

If you want to experience a harsh ride, come for a ride in my mates sil80 haha, coilovers, with bump rating stiff as buggery

[hamish_023]

I had a specb and found it fine and that was after 80,000km And am wantin to buy them again.

[vp920b]

Well, I will try it first. Then try to review it.

Thanks.

[Kekotic]

If you come to the cruise this Sunday you could feel for yourself what the ride is like in my Spec.B.
I also read that silly review you linked before I purchased the car, but in the end it's probably some 50 year old reviewer who could feel a bump if he drove over an ant.

[smythie]

This words scares me:

With its performance bettered and its transmission flawed, the final nail in the Liberty's coffin is its poorly-judged suspension tune. In Spec B guise, a Bilstein sports suspension package introduces stiffer springs and dampers and virtually no impact-absorption. Over pockmarked tarmac, impacts buck and shudder through the chassis and into the cabin. The suspension is constantly working against imperfections in the road, yet feels to filter very few bumps. In fact, the Spec B actually finds bumps you can't see with the naked eye. Over a minor hotmix-hiccup that the Aurion ignored and the Falcon simply sailed over, the Subaru introduced itself with enough force to knock the windscreen-mounted E-Tag clear from its bracket and send it clattering into the dash.

While I have mentioned the Bilstein setup can be harsh, their example seems a gross exaggeration. I have never hit anything so hard that an e-tag (which are bloody difficult to unclip anyway) would be knocked off its mount on the glass. I'd suggest that these Wheels journos (that article is an extract from an article originally published in Wheels magazine) didn't have it clipped in properly in the first place or they were making up a story to make a point.

Fwiw, I've driven base spec and SV6 spec Commodore and XR6 falcons (non turbo) - all as hire cars. None of them are significantly better than my Spec B when it comes to comfort over gnarly shitty surfaced back roads, certainly not to the extent described in that article. None of them seem to offer the feel/response or damping control that my Spec B does either (and its dampers if anything are a little soft in rebound these days after over 126k on them)

Yes it is harsh. Yes it is harsher than the suspension tune you have. Yes it is harsher than a Commodore or Falcon. No it is not much of a concern when you are on a road to enjoy it. Yes it does seem to steer better (or at least gives better feel of response) than the non-bilstein setup. Yes it does provide better damping control than the Commodore or Falcon. No, I would not call it comfortable on the type of horrid roads that typify Sydney's roads.

[teK--]

Sounds like a Nanny with a broken back must have been reviewing that car.

Even with Swift springs (bit firmer than STI springs which are a bit firmer than SpecB again), aftermarket Bilsteins (which are a bit firmer than the spec B), and urethane control arm bushes, it is never unbearable for me.

What is unbearable is coilovers with pillowball tops, and set on a reasonably hard damping force.

[Subie Boy]

In all honesty, I think the best bet is for you to get Whiteline Swaybars!!! Trust me, the difference will be huge and you will feel much better!

[vp920b]

Thanks all for the review.

Yes I'm considering whiteline swaybars, but I'm still keen with that shocks and spring since it's pretty darn cheap(mostly second hard still around 700 bucks).

But, I saw in Jim thread(tek), he changed the mounting and everything using the whiteline and AVO something. Is it necessary?

Because for me personally, I want to change to billies, not only the swaybar because it will change how it's ride and everything.

Thanks for the opinion. Really appreciate for all of you.


Cheers

Naldo

[teK--]

Thanks all for the review.

Yes I'm considering whiteline swaybars, but I'm still keen with that shocks and spring since it's pretty darn cheap(mostly second hard still around 700 bucks).

But, I saw in Jim thread(tek), he changed the mounting and everything using the whiteline and AVO something. Is it necessary?

Because for me personally, I want to change to billies, not only the swaybar because it will change how it's ride and everything.

Thanks for the opinion. Really appreciate for all of you.


Cheers

Naldo

The reinforcement brackets are recommended with an upgraded swaybar. People have broken their stock mounts even before upgrading a swaybar when they have been driving hard.

Changing either billies and/or swaybar will change your handling but in different ways. You have to consider the pros and cons of each approach.

[vp920b]

What will be the pros and cons Jim?

Since I never ride on spec B or either standard setting+swaybar.

Cheers Jim

[Subie Boy]

I drove my car hard before and only had swaybars and coilovers on it and never once had an issue with it (I had front and rear swaybars).

I mean seriously, unless you take your car to the track everyday, how HARD are you going to drive your car on a daily basis??? We have to be realistic here and be sensible!

[hamish_023]

perfect, chaotic2050 has kindly offered to take you for a ride. I think after that you will be 100% decided that you want them