Supercharger Systems -4GEN Liberty/Legacy

Re: Supercharger Systems -4GEN Liberty and Legacy

Postby Spec BSC » Mon May 25, 2015 6:31 am

Cheers Tim

The grill is a one off made from the original Spec B grill with a black mesh attached to the back and the chrome is vinyl wrapped with carbon effect film in fact all the exterior chrome is wrapped.
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Re: Supercharger Systems -4GEN Liberty and Legacy

Postby Tradewind » Mon May 25, 2015 7:21 am

Spec BSC wrote:Cheers Tim

The grill is a one off made from the original Spec B grill with a black mesh attached to the back and the chrome is vinyl wrapped with carbon effect film in fact all the exterior chrome is wrapped.


Nice job for sure, wrapping is big in Aust too, I must try it sometime

Also, you sent me an email, I recall it coming in but now that I WANT to answer it, cant find it. Could you resend it pls.
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Re: Supercharger Systems -4GEN Liberty and Legacy

Postby KiDo_Tuning » Mon May 25, 2015 11:23 am

3rspecb wrote:And this one too: https://youtu.be/EkmzkIce6KI

Not sure what you mean Matt but my logs on my previous tune/tuner showed over 300g/s. Anyway lets not turn this into a pissing comp, pm me if you want to elaborate more. I'm very happy with the retune and that's what counts :D


Above 300g/sec, the ECU cuts fuel and runs lean and timing is altered at the 300 value(so say 300 occurs at 6000rpm at 2.5g/rev, by 6600rpm, airflow is now 2.25g/rev even though boost and fuel was increasing to say 2.75g/rev in reality). It then starts leaning out as the ECU has no way of reading above 300 except that the MAF voltage is reading right, other than tuning the fuel and timing tables to stop knock.

Table your looking at in the tune is MAF Limit (Maximum)_ which from factory is limited to 300g/sec. Try putting a value of 350 in there, save the files, reopen the table and it defaults to 50. Anson has the same ECU as you(DOXJ001M) and I gave Vin Ansons tune a few weeks ago as an example plus the much better defined definition to show the differences to stock tune etc

Simply? That the Load B Max(MAF V) multiplier table allows the injector pulse to increase past 300g/sec :) Value remains at 300 but the multiplier takes it to 600g/sec

I am happy you are happy with the new tune :) No pissing needed :)
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Re: Supercharger Systems -4GEN Liberty and Legacy

Postby Spec BSC » Mon May 25, 2015 5:08 pm

KiDo_Tuning wrote:
3rspecb wrote:And this one too: https://youtu.be/EkmzkIce6KI

Not sure what you mean Matt but my logs on my previous tune/tuner showed over 300g/s. Anyway lets not turn this into a pissing comp, pm me if you want to elaborate more. I'm very happy with the retune and that's what counts :D


Above 300g/sec, the ECU cuts fuel and runs lean and timing is altered at the 300 value(so say 300 occurs at 6000rpm at 2.5g/rev, by 6600rpm, airflow is now 2.25g/rev even though boost and fuel was increasing to say 2.75g/rev in reality). It then starts leaning out as the ECU has no way of reading above 300 except that the MAF voltage is reading right, other than tuning the fuel and timing tables to stop knock.

Table your looking at in the tune is MAF Limit (Maximum)_ which from factory is limited to 300g/sec. Try putting a value of 350 in there, save the files, reopen the table and it defaults to 50. Anson has the same ECU as you(DOXJ001M) and I gave Vin Ansons tune a few weeks ago as an example plus the much better defined definition to show the differences to stock tune etc

Simply? That the Load B Max(MAF V) multiplier table allows the injector pulse to increase past 300g/sec :) Value remains at 300 but the multiplier takes it to 600g/sec

I am happy you are happy with the new tune :) No pissing needed :)


Wow, now I know I don't much about how it all works. Will bear this in mind when I can start using all the throttle pedal travel :D
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The second engine died of a broken piston
The third engine is in the car
The fourth engine is in the machine shop

So far: Rotrex Supercharger (16 psi) FMIC,DW300c fuel pump, ID1050 injectors
Producing 431bhp and 350 lb/ft torque on the Rotrex SC not finished yet
Raptor headers, 75mm Milltek exhaust with Quad tips,
Custom made 4032 forged pistons by JE Pistons, forged conrods, Exedy Clutch
K sport 8 pot front, 4 pot rears all on 330mm discs, Hel brake lines
Meister R coil overs, Whiteline 21mm rear ARB, Perrin end links and strengthening brackets
Complete Whiteline kit for the front suspension including steering rack
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Re: Supercharger Systems -4GEN Liberty and Legacy

Postby Spec BSC » Thu Jun 04, 2015 5:06 am

I think my engine is breathing very deeply, was just looking at replacement ducts to the superchager and discovered the existing one has a nice oil film all over it on the inside.

The oil is being drawn via the pcv and back up the inlet tract time to fit an oil catch tank and remove all the inlet tract and clean everything up especially the MAF. Which may account for the high speed stalling thats started recently.
The first engine died after eating to much CAT
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Producing 431bhp and 350 lb/ft torque on the Rotrex SC not finished yet
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Custom made 4032 forged pistons by JE Pistons, forged conrods, Exedy Clutch
K sport 8 pot front, 4 pot rears all on 330mm discs, Hel brake lines
Meister R coil overs, Whiteline 21mm rear ARB, Perrin end links and strengthening brackets
Complete Whiteline kit for the front suspension including steering rack
One off Carbon effect Front grill, Carbon lip spoiler, Exterior De-chromed, LED interior light conversion.
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Re: Supercharger Systems -4GEN Liberty and Legacy

Postby Tradewind » Thu Jun 04, 2015 5:45 am

Spec BSC wrote:I think my engine is breathing very deeply, was just looking at replacement ducts to the superchager and discovered the existing one has a nice oil film all over it on the inside.

The oil is being drawn via the pcv and back up the inlet tract time to fit an oil catch tank and remove all the inlet tract and clean everything up especially the MAF. Which may account for the high speed stalling thats started recently.



Yes clean it up for sure, MAF will be doing a bad job

Blow by is quite low on these engines normally but if you are getting an oil trace then go the catch can for sure
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Re: Supercharger Systems -4GEN Liberty and Legacy

Postby Kesh » Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:54 pm

For everyone who has had their car supercharged, how much would a typical install cost? I don't think I'd do this myself since it seems far too difficult for someone without experience. I'm a long way away from getting it done (P plates :() But I'm still curious nontheless :)
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Re: Supercharger Systems -4GEN Liberty and Legacy

Postby 3rspecb » Tue Jun 09, 2015 6:58 pm

I fit my s/c kit myself. I allowed a weekend and had it done. I'm not a mechanic but mechanically minded.
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Re: Supercharger Systems -4GEN Liberty and Legacy

Postby Tradewind » Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:07 am

As above, allow a weekend, maybe find a mechanic mate to assist (recommended if you aren't confident)

You will save several buckets of money.

Otherwise I would say a shop would charge out 10hrs of work @$110 per hr + tune
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Re: Supercharger Systems -4GEN Liberty and Legacy

Postby Spec BSC » Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:32 am

I fitted mine over a weekend to, it's not that tricky. The worst bit was changing out the fuel pump trying to get the basket apart but Google is your fiend.
The first engine died after eating to much CAT
The second engine died of a broken piston
The third engine is in the car
The fourth engine is in the machine shop

So far: Rotrex Supercharger (16 psi) FMIC,DW300c fuel pump, ID1050 injectors
Producing 431bhp and 350 lb/ft torque on the Rotrex SC not finished yet
Raptor headers, 75mm Milltek exhaust with Quad tips,
Custom made 4032 forged pistons by JE Pistons, forged conrods, Exedy Clutch
K sport 8 pot front, 4 pot rears all on 330mm discs, Hel brake lines
Meister R coil overs, Whiteline 21mm rear ARB, Perrin end links and strengthening brackets
Complete Whiteline kit for the front suspension including steering rack
One off Carbon effect Front grill, Carbon lip spoiler, Exterior De-chromed, LED interior light conversion.
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Re: Supercharger Systems -4GEN Liberty and Legacy

Postby KiDo_Tuning » Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:39 pm

My and Purdy fitted his kit in under 6 man hours. Was not mucking around though
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Re: Supercharger Systems -4GEN Liberty and Legacy

Postby Tradewind » Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:46 pm

Saw another 3RspecB video show up on youtube about a week ago. Its a sound I could turn into a ringtone lol
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Re: Supercharger Systems -4GEN Liberty and Legacy

Postby 3rspecb » Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:32 pm

Me too. I need to find a safe place i can do a longer run :wink:
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Re: Supercharger Systems -4GEN Liberty and Legacy

Postby Tradewind » Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:44 pm

I saw a time slip on FB of Cliffo with a 12.888@105.77mph from his Raptor SC 3.0
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Re: Supercharger Systems -4GEN Liberty and Legacy

Postby 3rspecb » Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:26 pm

That's an awesome result. Well done cliffo :good:
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