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Speedo signal wire needed - 06 3RB

PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:01 pm
by DWBN
HI all,

My speedo is out by around 10% as confirmed by GPS. I'd rather fix it than leave it as is, so have just finished putting together the Jaycar speedo corrector kit.

I'm hoping to wire it up this weekend, but am needing some confirmation on the signal wire to intercept. Vehicle is 06 3RB.

According to this thread - viewtopic.php?f=6&t=20283&p=286799&hilit=speedo+wire#p286799 (yes the model is for 08GT, but it's the closest I could find on the internets) - the speedo plug is B13, however I can't find anything to confirm this.

My a service manual I have for an 04 3RB, it looks to be pin A19 - see diagram below.

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Hoping someone shed any light on this!

Much love.

Dave

Re: Speedo signal wire needed - 06 3RB

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:44 am
by RX25SE
Looking at the diagram you posted, Id say the speedo signal is sent via the CAN system (Engine computer receives signal, sent on high speed CAN to body computer (gateway) and then low speed CAN to dash cluster) as with most newer cars.
A19 may be for a warning lamp or similar as it has a diode in that line.

I doubt the 'speedo corrector' will solve your problem.


I quite like the -10% feature, makes me think I'm speeding when I'm not.

Re: Speedo signal wire needed - 06 3RB

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:11 am
by DWBN
cheers for the reply.
According to this link, B13 is engine speed?? http://forum.liberty.asn.au/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9497&start=210
All I need is to figure out which is the final speed signal wire that inputs to the cluster, I'm confident the corrector will solve the issue.

Re: Speedo signal wire needed - 06 3RB

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:27 am
by RX25SE
Sorry, I meant A19.

Post corrected.

Re: Speedo signal wire needed - 06 3RB

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:57 am
by DWBN
So A19 may not be the signal wire then. I'd be keen to hear from someone who has done a HUD too!

If possible, I'd like to throw this in today, but want to be at least 80% sure before cutting wires! :)

Re: Speedo signal wire needed - 06 3RB

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:09 am
by RX25SE
If it bothers you that much, I think you would be better off intercepting the signal from the speedo sensor on the gearbox. Typically they produce either a sine wave (two wire inductive pickup) or a square wave (three wire hall effect) signals.

Im assuming there is a gearbox sensor, if not then it will use the average of the four wheel speed sensors.

Re: Speedo signal wire needed - 06 3RB

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:19 am
by BUDDAH
RX25SE wrote:If it bothers you that much, I think you would be better off intercepting the signal from the speedo sensor on the gearbox. Typically they produce either a sine wave (two wire inductive pickup) or a square wave (three wire hall effect) signals.

Im assuming there is a gearbox sensor, if not then it will use the average of the four wheel speed sensors.






I dont think so :roll:

Re: Speedo signal wire needed - 06 3RB

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:24 am
by RX25SE
BUDDAH wrote:
RX25SE wrote:If it bothers you that much, I think you would be better off intercepting the signal from the speedo sensor on the gearbox. Typically they produce either a sine wave (two wire inductive pickup) or a square wave (three wire hall effect) signals.

Im assuming there is a gearbox sensor, if not then it will use the average of the four wheel speed sensors.






I dont think so :roll:


Why?

Re: Speedo signal wire needed - 06 3RB

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:27 am
by BUDDAH
RX25SE wrote:
BUDDAH wrote:
RX25SE wrote:If it bothers you that much, I think you would be better off intercepting the signal from the speedo sensor on the gearbox. Typically they produce either a sine wave (two wire inductive pickup) or a square wave (three wire hall effect) signals.

Im assuming there is a gearbox sensor, if not then it will use the average of the four wheel speed sensors.






I dont think so :roll:


Why?



Think about it

Re: Speedo signal wire needed - 06 3RB

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:29 am
by RX25SE
I did.

Why?

Re: Speedo signal wire needed - 06 3RB

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:31 am
by BUDDAH
RX25SE wrote:I did.

Why?






Think deeper then think again




Here is a clue

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Re: Speedo signal wire needed - 06 3RB

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:39 am
by RX25SE
So you found a picture of an inductive pickup (a/c waveform) sensor; great.

So why cant four of these be used for vecicle speed?

Re: Speedo signal wire needed - 06 3RB

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:50 am
by bigBADbenny
Check out this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=45&t=16352&hilit=Speedo&start=90

The HUD is a good solution as it doesn't mess with your odometer as its passive... ;)
Otherwise this thread has all the info you should require ;)

DWBN wrote:HI all,

My speedo is out by around 10% as confirmed by GPS. I'd rather fix it than leave it as is, so have just finished putting together the Jaycar speedo corrector kit.

I'm hoping to wire it up this weekend, but am needing some confirmation on the signal wire to intercept. Vehicle is 06 3RB.

According to this thread - viewtopic.php?f=6&t=20283&p=286799&hilit=speedo+wire#p286799 (yes the model is for 08GT, but it's the closest I could find on the internets) - the speedo plug is B13, however I can't find anything to confirm this.

My a service manual I have for an 04 3RB, it looks to be pin A19 - see diagram below.

Image

Hoping someone shed any light on this!

Much love.

Dave

Re: Speedo signal wire needed - 06 3RB

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:54 am
by DWBN
This needs an incentive.

6 pack of drinkers choice for a specific (i.e. correct pin/wire) correct answer.

Re: Speedo signal wire needed - 06 3RB

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:08 pm
by BUDDAH
PM sent