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Fuel Cut Defenders

PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 10:29 am
by scooby491
hey guys
this may have been asked before but im just cutting to the chase....
fuel cut defenders......
experiences? worth the money? brands/systems? electronic?
also how do they get installed? is it to the ecu?

very mechanically minded so i do as much work myself as possible

Re: Fuel Cut Defenders

PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:26 am
by WIDELOAD
Bad idea. The are wired into the ecu to intercept certain inputs (usually MAF or MAP).
Problem is the engine thinks it's seeing less boost than it really is which mean it will run lean. May end in expensive noises.

Re: Fuel Cut Defenders

PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:13 pm
by scooby491
less boost? i was under impression that it came in due to over boost.....

i run an ej20tt in my gen 2 and it cuts at between 7-9 psi..... as far as i can work out from research theyre meant to run 14 psi flat chat

Re: Fuel Cut Defenders

PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:41 pm
by WIDELOAD
scooby491 wrote:less boost? i was under impression that it came in due to over boost.....

i run an ej20tt in my gen 2 and it cuts at between 7-9 psi..... as far as i can work out from research theyre meant to run 14 psi flat chat



The FCD makes the ECU 'see' less boost than it's actually getting. eg. ECU 'sees' 7psi when you're actually putting 14psi into it.
Becomes a potential problem because the ECU is giving fuel and timing figures for 7psi. Higher boost you need more fuel or less timing (or both).
That's being pretty broad about it.

It might not be a problem if the factory tune has sufficient headroom in fuel and/or conservative timing. But IMO still not a good idea.

Re: Fuel Cut Defenders

PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:48 pm
by scooby491
boost gauge is reading 7-9 psi when it cuts....
gauge is plumbed into intake manifold.

going off what you said though is it possible to be dirty MAF or failing MAP sensor?

Re: Fuel Cut Defenders

PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 1:26 pm
by WIDELOAD
scooby491 wrote:boost gauge is reading 7-9 psi when it cuts....
gauge is plumbed into intake manifold.

going off what you said though is it possible to be dirty MAF or failing MAP sensor?



Not a clue. If it's cutting below what the factory boost level is meant to be there's def an issue. I'd be taking it to someone in the know, there's a few good Subi specialists down in Melb from what I've heard.

Re: Fuel Cut Defenders

PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 1:36 pm
by HardwareBoB
The engine is not seeing boost and fuelling to suit, it is seeing airflow through the afm. An fcd is generally a bad idea, it is a hack around a problem. I ran one on my 180sx back in the day but then I went aftermarket computer.

Re: Fuel Cut Defenders

PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 2:09 pm
by scooby491
ahhhhhk
so suggestion would be to clean maf sensor and stay away from fuel cut defenders. sweet

relatively new to the whole turbo but thing have a fairly in depth knowledge of it

Re: Fuel Cut Defenders

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:25 am
by Robbks
For an RS an FCD is fine.
however, just run a One Way Valve into the MAP sensor that stops it from seeing boost.
the early ECU uses the MAP sensor for vacuum readings in conjunction with the PE solenoid for fuelling corrections based on altitude.
The only thing it uses boost pressure for is Boost Cut.
As long as you have a boost gauge and a good controller, it's perfectly safe and been done that way for the last 20 years