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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby KiDo_Tuning » Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:45 pm

Here is one for you all...

If the FLKC thresholds are lowered into the FBKC region, and FBKC is a 'reactive' after detected knock but FLKC pulls timing across an entire RPM range when knock is detected thus being pro-active, then which is safer?

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KiDo_Tuning wrote:I got the IHI compressor maps so have been busy mapping them for optimal boost and compressor efficiency.


I have no idea what any of that means, but if it means more power, I'm all for it! Also..can I please have my exhaust popping back? It still pops a little bit during low rpm downshifts, but I'm starting to miss the big pops in between gears :D when are u back in town?


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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby brainy » Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:58 pm

owen wrote:
KiDo_Tuning wrote:I got the IHI compressor maps so have been busy mapping them for optimal boost and compressor efficiency.


I have no idea what any of that means, but if it means more power, I'm all for it! Also..can I please have my exhaust popping back? It still pops a little bit during low rpm downshifts, but I'm starting to miss the big pops in between gears :D when are u back in town?


Where is this dyno graph showing your 200kw club achievement? Or was this another virtually made up dyno with a kido claim of power?

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brainy wrote:I guess you could say that it might be all about the TH/Kido tunes since the Kido/TH tuned Learning Views are our bad examples of what it shouldn't look like. :P


Want me to post LV's of workshops of NSW and Vic then? To show how often it occurs and have the tuner leave it?

Seen them all, even CAI's scaled in with injector resize and then tweak OL fueling until the AFRS were flat but shows up massive FLKC after D range learns to a negative and makes it run lean on boost.

Maybe you should wonder why there is 20+ US tuners running my maps often with minimal tweaking... even says on a RomRaider thread which Bruce linked that my tunes are good. ;)


That was before when you had him brainwashed with all your fancy mumbo jumbo and he kept hoping that you would get a revision on a tune that would be good so he could close the laptop and concentrate on the road.
Instead, well we know how that turned out. :D


KiDo_Tuning wrote:Here is one for you all...

If the FLKC thresholds are lowered into the FBKC region, and FBKC is a 'reactive' after EVERY detected knock but FLKC pulls timing across an entire RPM range when knock is detected thus being pro-active, then which is safer?



Does this question with a million acronyms take into account boost leaks, heat soak, boost stutter, boost cut, radio wiring interference while logging and 4 wheel skids @ 2000rpm?
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby alexeiwoody » Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:24 pm

^^
I would say yes Matt it would be safer. Obviously.

But then you lose power because your car is too safe (ie safer than factory). Why would you do that instead of just making sure you dyno tune every car perfectly so no knock appears.

Now we're starting to question Subaru's factory tuning safety margins. I wouldn't think it needs to be any safer than that or you're just losing power for an overly safe engine. Might as well take the turbo out.

A performance tuner IMO should tweak the tune for 0 knock rather than upping the factory safety precautions when knock appears. From what I'm told - a good tune can have power too. Not just safety.
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby Aidos » Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:36 pm

After much reading, research, conversations and worry... i have decided to not go ahead with a "Kido" tune.

I advise anyone who is thinking about it to ask themselves if they have doubt at all. You have to ask this question about anyone who touches your car. If you have a hint of doubt then maybe it is not the choice you should make for your pride and joy.

Sorry Matt, but maybe when you have your business and tuning together, then i might look to you in the future if i ever need a different tuner to the one i am going with now.

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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby Kekotic » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:27 am

Aidos wrote:After much reading, research, conversations and worry... i have decided to not go ahead with a "Kido" tune.

I advise anyone who is thinking about it to ask themselves if they have doubt at all. You have to ask this question about anyone who touches your car. If you have a hint of doubt then maybe it is not the choice you should make for your pride and joy.

Sorry Matt, but maybe when you have your business and tuning together, then i might look to you in the future if i ever need a different tuner to the one i am going with now.

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This thread is not about Kido tuning. :roll:
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby senator » Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:13 am

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nice to hear your real opinion.... do you know how much i make now? and the turbo has nothing to do with mrt, in fact you should get your facts straight as my car was rebuilt by revzone....

i bet i spent far less on buying mine than most of the big power guys!!


Thanks for proving my point GB……. You bought are car capable of an easy 350-400kw if it was built right.

Just pushing 300kw (your current power levels???) is not something anyone would be satisfied with, especially if the engine had as much work as your engine…… I guess buying someone else’s failed project for peanuts is your only saving grace, with that being said you might be ahead financially but you really are pissing in the wind with your current power levels.

What exactly did Revzone re-build??? What turbo do you have now that is choking your current set up???..... I can only guess it’s the car that’s the issue and not anything in or around the car.

Btw this forum has yet to see “big power”, so no big power guys to compare too, anything north of 400kw is big….. we have only seen a hand full of knock together engines that have either burnt to the ground or been re-built again due to fundamental engine building knowledge which the builders didn’t have to start with.

GB there are also many liberty around Sydney…. In fact some inter-state with unopened engines that are daily drivers (most hard) that with right custom turbo upgrade and support mods are pushing 260kw+ all day every day……. Now considering what was spent on your engine, who really would be better off???

Slightly back on topic…..

At the end of the day if you want pay $400 or 500 buck for road tuned car go for it, but don’t expect an all-round flawless product the first time round, on the flip side you can pay $1200+ to a Subaru specialist who spends 2 hours on a dyno to give you a pretty dyno graph, but when you question their tune, they head for the hills and don’t want to know you.
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby senator » Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:36 am

bates91 wrote:
senator wrote:but do we really need to keep hearing about how you are all now hard core tuners just because you were shown how to log and spent endless hours on the Romraider forum……


tony can you go over to ricenet and tell the boys this please, because after reading the 30+ page thread all the way through all ive taken from it is a bunch of childish bickering.
maybe there's too many abbreviations and i dont understand what the hell is going on, except that knock is a bad thing and that you can "pull" timing... :lol:



Sorry Ed……. But my MAF scaling will not allow me to post on rice net. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

The only thing being “pulled” on Rice net and its starting here is ego’s (aka cock flexing)
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby dr20t » Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:56 am

Hey!

Nothing wrong with a little cock flex

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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby Rome_BRZ » Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:03 am

See guys, this is what happens when you make senator flip his lid. Poor guy probably has high blood pressure after stamping away at his keyboard.

I will mention one thing though, your grammar has improved quite a bit Tony!! :lol: Agree with everything you've said.

Now back on topic, benny do you have an update of your LV?
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby bigBADbenny » Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:38 am

I wanted to ask permission from my tuner before posting :oops:
I he doesn't mind, tonight. Just sent him latest logs n LV.
Afaik the tune is on track, max boost is at 18-19 psi on the possibly over accurate VBG1.
It's great for keeping an eye on spikes due to its accuracy over logging and or analogue gauges.
DBW settings have been toned down to around 70% max requested torque, very useable in all modes on my high K clutch.
Need to sort my wideband/s ASAP.
I guess then popping & economy can be addressed.
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby <GB> » Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:41 am

senator wrote:Thanks for proving my point GB……. You bought are car capable of an easy 350-400kw if it was built right.

Just pushing 300kw (your current power levels???) is not something anyone would be satisfied with, especially if the engine had as much work as your engine…… I guess buying someone else’s failed project for peanuts is your only saving grace, with that being said you might be ahead financially but you really are pissing in the wind with your current power levels.

What exactly did Revzone re-build??? What turbo do you have now that is choking your current set up???..... I can only guess it’s the car that’s the issue and not anything in or around the car.

Btw this forum has yet to see “big power”, so no big power guys to compare too, anything north of 400kw is big….. we have only seen a hand full of knock together engines that have either burnt to the ground or been re-built again due to fundamental engine building knowledge which the builders didn’t have to start with.

GB there are also many liberty around Sydney…. In fact some inter-state with unopened engines that are daily drivers (most hard) that with right custom turbo upgrade and support mods are pushing 260kw+ all day every day……. Now considering what was spent on your engine, who really would be better off???

Slightly back on topic…..

At the end of the day if you want pay $400 or 500 buck for road tuned car go for it, but don’t expect an all-round flawless product the first time round, on the flip side you can pay $1200+ to a Subaru specialist who spends 2 hours on a dyno to give you a pretty dyno graph, but when you question their tune, they head for the hills and don’t want to know you.

mate i never wanted it to be 400awkw anyone thats got half a brain would know the blocks start to flex around that and possible below.... most guys up at that power are driving ticking time bombs imo

i think your wrong i think 300awkw is pretty good on 98 in summer on a dyno thats known to break hearts, everyone else making that kind of power uses e85! i guess i could run it on rev zones and it would be 330awkw but thats not the point really.

rev zone rebuilt it after mrt's build was using a litre of oil to a tank of fuel....

turbo from what the turbo builder said is a custom 60-1 made into a ball bearing unit thats internal gated, it made the power the original owner wanted so they were happy, personally for the amount of money it cost there are far better options out there, when i stop going os i might have the cash to repalce it with something better suited.

im happy for these guys with un opened engines... good on them, they wont last though. and id dare say lots are on corn too??

either way i dont care what you think about my car, it goes good i thrash it and its still together, im still getting on top of the issues it has had.

seems like you single me out for some reason? did i hit a nerve with something ive said here? or in another thread? if so why dont you spit it out like a man, dont hold back and start saying shit about my car aye. seems childish how you have said things about my car!!! really bro good on ya!!!

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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby bigBADbenny » Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:50 am

I certainly feel massive ENVY :mrgreen: as regards your rig!
Big respect for your perseverance with it too :-)
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby Rome_BRZ » Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:04 am

bigBADbenny wrote:I wanted to ask permission from my tuner before posting :oops:
I he doesn't mind, tonight. Just sent him latest logs n LV.
Afaik the tune is on track, max boost is at 18-19 psi on the possibly over accurate VBG1.
It's great for keeping an eye on spikes due to its accuracy over logging and or analogue gauges.
DBW settings have been toned down to around 70% max requested torque, very useable in all modes on my high K clutch.
Need to sort my wideband/s ASAP.
I guess then popping & economy can be addressed.
I'm patient and not chasing any figures, just drivability and reliability with my minimal liberating mods: filter, zorst, pump.


Haha so respectful Benny...but it is YOUR car afterall
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby bigBADbenny » Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:13 am

I'm here to make friends and allies, & learn some new stuff 8)
That's a discipline that I'm getting the hang of...
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Re: Learning View Snapshots \ Discussions

Postby bass_straitener » Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:35 am

Seems the people who log and LV their tunes seem to be having all the problems.

Whilst the people who don't seem to be problem and worry free.

The easy solution here would be for all the people who log and LV their tunes/cars just stop. :D
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