is blow off vale useful or just making noise?

[GTSPECB STI]

GTSPECB STI... It's people like you who f@ck forums up for the rest of us with those low blows etc.

All I was doing was giving my opinion & my own experiences, which is what a forum is all about.

You can continue to rip sh!t into me & others if you like because you think we don't know what we're talking about, but I won't be dignifying you with a response.

ummm sooo sorry to have f*cked the forum up for you Swingin

ps. you actually did respond I believe

[Hotwire]

[smythie]

Good enough for what? For most people who use the car as a mode of transport? Probably. Good enough for an enthusiast or someone who wants to drive on the track? Mostly no.

The MY10 GT have Bilsteins as standard now but I am not sure of their valving, and the springs could certainly still be uprated and a bit lower, swaybars could be uprated, bushes could be replaced with eccentric urethane versions, bracing could be installed and alignment adjustment kits as well to take the wheel alignment beyond factory spec will allow.

Really? The only real issue (suspension wise) I have with mine when I drive it enthusiastically is bump harshness. As you know the suspension on mine is stock. If (as I have experienced) the MY10 GT is suspended better than the MY06 3RB then modding the suspension before you actually have a feel for it, what you like about it and what aspects and characteristics are a problem for you is a waste of money IMO as you do not know what you need to improve.

Stock, the Liberties handle very bloody well. Unless you are racing it there really is not any need to stuff with it. Lowering the car will take you out of the designed optimal suspension geometry and will thus reduce its grip potential on the road where you need the well travel. Increasing the roll bar stiffness will reduce the ability of the individual wheels to act independantly thus reducing your potential grip levels on other than smooth road.

Of course if you are never going to require the best of the potential of the car on normal roads ...

The brakepads would be rubbish when driving faster than a daily commute since they are scaled very low in the temperature ranges to give light pedal effort and good low speed bite which is what the majority populace want. Also stock brake fluid will not stand up to repeated, heavy braking. The calipers and discs are otherwise not too bad as they are a decent size. Since the rubber brake lines are brand new they should be good for the meantime unless keen to shell out about $500 for stainless steel ones.

They are all the changes I would make to the MY10 GT if I had one, and $5K spare.

We are getting off track now

Stock brake fluid is fine for everything short of JGTC really. It will easily handle it - your tyres will give up before the fluid does if it is replaced every 6-12 months.

Brake pads, well no one in here has any experience with the Gen V brake pad and rotor selection so making statements that they would be rubbish is well.... (or do you have access to the design specs for the pads used?) The OEM setup on mine suffered a fair bit of abuse before I made (likely unnecessary) changes. That was prompted by a little bit of fade on a long downhill run. I would suggest that the brake fluid had not been changed for at least 2 years (and thus had absorbed an amount of water reducing its bioling point) and that the stock pads did their job pretty well.

[sublime]

I've always loved the turbo flutter sound (running no bov at all or an undersized bov) even if it is very bad on the turbine blades

If anybody has their Liberty fluttering, please let me know

[subarugt]

Good enough for what? For most people who use the car as a mode of transport? Probably. Good enough for an enthusiast or someone who wants to drive on the track? Mostly no.

The MY10 GT have Bilsteins as standard now but I am not sure of their valving, and the springs could certainly still be uprated and a bit lower, swaybars could be uprated, bushes could be replaced with eccentric urethane versions, bracing could be installed and alignment adjustment kits as well to take the wheel alignment beyond factory spec will allow.

Really? The only real issue (suspension wise) I have with mine when I drive it enthusiastically is bump harshness. As you know the suspension on mine is stock. If (as I have experienced) the MY10 GT is suspended better than the MY06 3RB then modding the suspension before you actually have a feel for it, what you like about it and what aspects and characteristics are a problem for you is a waste of money IMO as you do not know what you need to improve.

Stock, the Liberties handle very bloody well. Unless you are racing it there really is not any need to stuff with it. Lowering the car will take you out of the designed optimal suspension geometry and will thus reduce its grip potential on the road where you need the well travel. Increasing the roll bar stiffness will reduce the ability of the individual wheels to act independantly thus reducing your potential grip levels on other than smooth road.

Of course if you are never going to require the best of the potential of the car on normal roads ...

The brakepads would be rubbish when driving faster than a daily commute since they are scaled very low in the temperature ranges to give light pedal effort and good low speed bite which is what the majority populace want. Also stock brake fluid will not stand up to repeated, heavy braking. The calipers and discs are otherwise not too bad as they are a decent size. Since the rubber brake lines are brand new they should be good for the meantime unless keen to shell out about $500 for stainless steel ones.

They are all the changes I would make to the MY10 GT if I had one, and $5K spare.

We are getting off track now

Stock brake fluid is fine for everything short of JGTC really. It will easily handle it - your tyres will give up before the fluid does if it is replaced every 6-12 months.

Brake pads, well no one in here has any experience with the Gen V brake pad and rotor selection so making statements that they would be rubbish is well.... (or do you have access to the design specs for the pads used?) The OEM setup on mine suffered a fair bit of abuse before I made (likely unnecessary) changes. That was prompted by a little bit of fade on a long downhill run. I would suggest that the brake fluid had not been changed for at least 2 years (and thus had absorbed an amount of water reducing its bioling point) and that the stock pads did their job pretty well.

Thank you so much for the info. it makes sense. I do feel the stock suspension was quite good. road ride was quite comfortable on high way almost feel like a bmw 5 series. I really need to get the test and test abit more to know more about it.

[tangcla]

If anybody has their Liberty fluttering, please let me know

zu-tu-tu-tu-tu-tu-tu-tu

[nytrojen]

If anybody has their Liberty fluttering, please let me know

zu-tu-tu-tu-tu-tu-tu-tu

kaboooooooom

[teK--]

Hey Smythie you should read a bit further back to when I first started posting in this thread, where I started that I *personally* would spend the whole $5K on suspension.

You may have the wrong idea when I wrote "Good enough for an enthusiast or someone who wants to drive on the track? Mostly no." My comments are two-fold; I would think that most regulars on LibertyAU are enthusiasts, and going by a lot of posts showing what people have, many SpecB cars have uprated springs/coilvers, swaybars, and sometimes even more.

The reason is likely because they didn't like the stock handling or wanted just that little bit more. Not everyone who makes those mods track their car either.

My earlier comments "If ride comfort is your priority then you should try uprated swaybars prior to lower/firmer springs then. I have always been of the belief that springs do not need to be rock hard or super low to allow the car to corner like the proverbial go-kart. The rest of the system just needs to be set up well. It is for sure that the wheels need to be able to easily articulate with minimal effect on the rest of the chassis, for the car to grip well." reflect your comments.

I'm glad we agree that on the track/racing the stock SpecB suspension probably wouldn't hold up.

Stock brake fluid is fine for everything short of JGTC really. It will easily handle it - your tyres will give up before the fluid does if it is replaced every 6-12 months.

Brake pads, well no one in here has any experience with the Gen V brake pad and rotor selection so making statements that they would be rubbish is well....

I've boiled relatively fresh stock fluid and had the stock pads overheating on an otherwise stock car with only "premium" tyres, driving up in the mountains. The tyres were giving up at that stage too. I still maintain that all passenger cars are fitted with low temperature range brake pads stock, as that is what majority of purchasers of these vehicles will drive at.

[coyote]

My 50c worth after 15 years of modifying turbo Subarus:

Stock blow off values are just as good on stock and mildly modded cars as aftermarket ones.
At least one good aftermarket BOV is essential on a heavily boost motor.
I've driven well over 100 WRXs and the stock suspension (which is not up to SpecB standard) is superior to more than half the aftermarket kits out there.
Cars on stock springs and stiff aftermarket swaybars are not as fast on low grip surfaces as completely standard ones. Cars with just a rear bar are dangerous.
SpecB springs are too soft, the Bilsteins don't have enough travel and the fast bump valving is too harsh.
The factory bushes are shit. No, they aren't that good.
The factory brake pads are only slightly better than the factory bushes, but significantly better than many aftermarket pads.
How often you change your brake fluid is far, far, far more important than what fluid you use.

[hamish_023]

Cars with just a rear bar are dangerous.

How so?

[coyote]

Cars with just a rear bar are dangerous.

How so?

Snap oversteer.

[subarugt]

My 50c worth after 15 years of modifying turbo Subarus:

Stock blow off values are just as good on stock and mildly modded cars as aftermarket ones.
At least one good aftermarket BOV is essential on a heavily boost motor.
I've driven well over 100 WRXs and the stock suspension (which is not up to SpecB standard) is superior to more than half the aftermarket kits out there.
Cars on stock springs and stiff aftermarket swaybars are not as fast on low grip surfaces as completely standard ones. Cars with just a rear bar are dangerous.
SpecB springs are too soft, the Bilsteins don't have enough travel and the fast bump valving is too harsh.
The factory bushes are shit. No, they aren't that good.
The factory brake pads are only slightly better than the factory bushes, but significantly better than many aftermarket pads.
How often you change your brake fluid is far, far, far more important than what fluid you use.

I don't go track often or at all. I mainly drive it on normal roads. Do you think I need a swaybar for my10 GT? I enjoy comfortable ride + little bit of performance.

It would cost $$$$$$$ to build a suspension system like the GTR35? when you put the car on S mode the suspension is good for road and when you put it on S# mode then the suspensions gets harder and lower. it's possible to do that with my10 GT right? and how much $$$$$ is needed?

[coyote]

Just go and buy the GTR, please.

[Hobber]

If anybody has their Liberty fluttering, please let me know

zu-tu-tu-tu-tu-tu-tu-tu

kaboooooooom

Good god - sounds like a cat is being tortured under the hood... especially when he turns onto the main road at the end...

[nytrojen]

That video is actually from a Liberty too