Why are Gen 4 Liberty sedans no longer called B4 in AU!?

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Why are Gen 4 Liberty sedans no longer called B4 in AU!?

Postby sooobi » Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:51 pm

A lot of countries are still getting cars badged B4.. Basically, any Gen 3 or later AWD Liberty / Legacy with Bilsteins is a B4, with 3.0R B4 (non-turbo) variants seen in New Zealand...

Whereas in AU, the gen 4 "B4" is not called the GT in sedan variant, where the 'GT' badge has traditionally only be worn by the wagons, right back to Gen 1 RS days! As well, the GT base models do not feature Bilstein suspension with these designated 'Spec B'..

Any guesses? Maybe S.AU was embarrassed by the poor 'aussie' tune that has left a bigger than expected 'Valley Of Death" (that takes a good while to learn to "drive around it")? This, coupled with the tendency for detonation on hot days and after 'stopping for a short while' (heat-soak) that, IF NOT RETUNED, causes big end bearing failure.. don't worry, there's a bunch of options to retune, even attaching a laptop, downloading some FREE software and doing it yourself!!

What I want to know is did they screw up the B4 brand so much here that they have moved away from the name for the gen 4's? As mentioned, in Japan and places like Singapore, our fellow Legacy (In Australia, the Legacy bears the name Liberty out of respect for Legacy Australia, an organisation which aids veterans and their families during and after wars) drivers still (rightly?) called MY04-~ the B4!

So here in AU, it is the gen 3 twin turbo only that we know as (the mighty) B4!!!

What's your opinion of both the 'Legacy / Liberty' and 'B4 / GT Spec B / 3.0R-B' name changes? A bit of a shame or no real drama?
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Re: Gen 4 Liberty sedans no longer called B4 in Australia!?

Postby suff » Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:20 pm

sooobi wrote:A lot of countries are still getting cars badged B4.. Basically, any Gen 3 or later AWD Liberty / Legacy with Bilsteins is a B4, with 3.0R B4 (non-turbo) variants seen in New Zealand...


The 3.0R B4 makes no sense.. the "B" designates "Boxer" and "4" being the number of cylinders (Subaru obviously didnt carry this terminology past the B4 as there would be a great deal of confusion :) due to the Outbacks etc being a H6..


So why would new zealend have a B4 H6?

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Re: Gen 4 Liberty sedans no longer called B4 in Australia!?

Postby sooobi » Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:35 am

suff wrote:
sooobi wrote:A lot of countries are still getting cars badged B4.. Basically, any Gen 3 or later AWD Liberty / Legacy with Bilsteins is a B4, with 3.0R B4 (non-turbo) variants seen in New Zealand...


The 3.0R B4 makes no sense.. the "B" designates "Boxer" and "4" being the number of cylinders


B=Bilstein 4= AWD aqpparently, hence the 3.0R-B is a B4 elsewhere in the world, has been since MY98(?) and I guess still is today...
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Postby tangcla » Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:37 am

But all Subarus post 1990 are 4WD and Boxer... so technically every car is a B4... :P
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Re: Gen 4 Liberty sedans no longer called B4 in Australia!?

Postby sooobi » Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:55 am

sooobi wrote:B=Bilstein


Get your glasses checked! :)
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Re: Gen 4 Liberty sedans no longer called B4 in Australia!?

Postby tangcla » Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:59 am

sooobi wrote:
sooobi wrote:B=Bilstein


Get your glasses checked! :)

oh crap... I misread both your post and Chris' post... haha :oops: my bad

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Postby suff » Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:42 pm

So are all the Gen 3 B4's Bilsteins? There ya go.. didnt know that :)
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Postby swingn » Tue May 27, 2008 3:38 pm

tangcla wrote:But all Subarus post 1990 are 4WD and Boxer... so technically every car is a B4... :P


Interesting tid bit, from what I have seen all Gen 4 Libertys are actually complianced as a B4.
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Postby sooobi » Tue May 27, 2008 7:46 pm

swingn wrote:
tangcla wrote:But all Subarus post 1990 are 4WD and Boxer... so technically every car is a B4... :P


Interesting tid bit...


No Clarence was wrong there mate, b=bilstein not boxer..
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Postby Evil_b4 » Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:12 pm

swingn wrote:
tangcla wrote:But all Subarus post 1990 are 4WD and Boxer... so technically every car is a B4... :P


Interesting tid bit, from what I have seen all Gen 4 Libertys are actually complianced as a B4.

No they are not,

B4 is the generation number
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Postby jdm rsk » Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:44 pm

all sedans from GEN3 are called B4's in japan...i asked my mate in subaru engineering and it was used to denote the b=boxer 4=capacity.
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Postby metalcar » Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:59 pm

The plate under the bonnet with the vin and everything on in my car(MY05 GT) says its a B4 still, even though they don't market them as such... The one that has the fuji heavy industries branding on it...
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Re: Why are Gen 4 Liberty sedans no longer called B4 in AU!?

Postby Gripped » Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:38 pm

umm just saying i read somewhere that the
B4 is like the sti version for the libertys O.o)
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Re: Why are Gen 4 Liberty sedans no longer called B4 in AU!?

Postby hamish_023 » Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:53 pm

Gripped wrote:umm just saying i read somewhere that the
B4 is like the sti version for the libertys O.o)


Bumped a 3 yr old thread for a completely wrong statement
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Re: Why are Gen 4 Liberty sedans no longer called B4 in AU!?

Postby Gripped » Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:04 pm

lol soz
i was trying to find out what is b4 so yeah xP
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