Where to start??

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Where to start??

Postby Phoenixx » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:57 pm

I have done a few searches on here and on the internet as a whole and still not finding straight forward answers.

I am looking for handling suggestions. Best bang for buck kind of ideas. What would i be best upgrading first to get a good return for the investment.

I will be getting better tyres next time i need a new set/when i buy some bigger mags so not tyres.

Details: MY04 liberty 2.5i manual. Stock everything.

And........go!
Adding power makes you faster on the straights, while subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere.

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Re: Where to start??

Postby jslayz » Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:30 am

Hi

I would say for handling go:

Good sticky rubber

Rear Sway Bar and Heavy Duty Mounts

Coil overs

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Re: Where to start??

Postby fibble » Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:56 am

Start with the sways....

then LCA bushes.......

then start thinking about shocks, springs, etc.....

Are brakes on the menu?
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Re: Where to start??

Postby lump_a_charcoal » Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:52 am

I installed a front strut tower and it made a nice difference.
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Re: Where to start??

Postby jslayz » Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:23 am

fibble wrote:Start with the sways....

then LCA bushes.......

then start thinking about shocks, springs, etc.....

Are brakes on the menu?



I would only do LCAs if they are shagged and need to be done.

That is money toward coilovers.
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Re: Where to start??

Postby Mr04Liberty » Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:27 am

Agree
Coil overs: No doubt best bang for buck...
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Re: Where to start??

Postby lump_a_charcoal » Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:09 am

I also agree, and they were my first mod - I just didn't list them, as I felt the OP was after cheaper mods.

BC BR coilovers - $1200, worth every cent.
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Re: Where to start??

Postby fibble » Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:05 pm

jslayz wrote:
fibble wrote:Start with the sways....

then LCA bushes.......

then start thinking about shocks, springs, etc.....

Are brakes on the menu?



I would only do LCAs if they are shagged and need to be done.

That is money toward coilovers.


Quality urethane LCAs fix Gen 4 crap off-centre steering feel - great bang for buck.

They're still around and cherished :) .

Coil overs have come and gone :wink:

But - this is always a very personal thing.....
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Re: Where to start??

Postby jslayz » Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:30 pm

fibble wrote:
jslayz wrote:
fibble wrote:Start with the sways....

then LCA bushes.......

then start thinking about shocks, springs, etc.....

Are brakes on the menu?



I would only do LCAs if they are shagged and need to be done.

That is money toward coilovers.


Quality urethane LCAs fix Gen 4 crap off-centre steering feel - great bang for buck.

They're still around and cherished :) .

Coil overs have come and gone :wink:

But - this is always a very personal thing.....


OP wants to increase handling not steering feel.....
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Re: Where to start??

Postby Phoenixx » Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:33 am

I was looking at power mods and with a hitachi ECU on a NA 2.5 I am realistic and I wont really be getting anywhere so I ideally would like mods that can be transferred to a GT in the future. Everything that people have been suggesting should be transferable. So well done on that part!!

Brakes are on the menu. Nothing over the top but better pads, discs and braided lines are a possibility.

Coilovers are on the cards for the future but I am looking for things that could be done a bit cheaper to improve the feel now before i get to the coilovers.

Personally i don't think steering feel and handling are totally unrelated. From experience better steering feel lets you know a lot about what is happening with your handling and where the limits on the handling are which means you can drive a lot closer to the limit of handling.

Thanks for all the suggestions, giving me a lot to think about!!!
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Re: Where to start??

Postby fibble » Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:40 am

jslayz wrote:OP wants to increase handling not steering feel.....


"Handling" is just about a human being's intepretation of a vehicle's behaviour - inspiring confidence...... :)

That's why tyre and suspension debates exist...... :wink:
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