Intercooler: FMIC & TMIC

[dja]

For a 200-220 kw car a TMIC is more than sufficient

Honestly, this is nonsense to me. Your telling me dropping your intake temp by 10-20 degrees isnt going to help?

Look i digress, I have had both systems, and know what im doing with them, i was only trying to weigh in on the debate for science.

Anyway, here are all the NSW Engineers.
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/ ... tin_01.pdf

Interwar over for me.

[Rome_BRZ]

For a 200-220 kw car a TMIC is more than sufficient

Honestly, this is nonsense to me. Your telling me dropping your intake temp by 10-20 degrees isnt going to help?

Look i digress, I have had both systems, and know what im doing with them, i was only trying to weigh in on the debate for science.

Anyway, here are all the NSW Engineers.
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/ ... tin_01.pdf

Interwar over for me.

Good post dan thanks for the link will be helfpul for when I try to find someone to certify my mods

[LBR37Y]

Sorry to intrude on your thread mate but I was wondering what some good quality brands with TMICs??

I see that an AVO one is for sale at around 700$ on here but I dont know to much...
It will be going on a 2.5t 08 sed liberty MT

Sorry again

[[ITS-STI]]

Hyperflow and Process West are the only two brands of TMIC i would use... Mate, for $50.00 more you can have that nice AVO FMIC...

[LBR37Y]

Hyperflow and Process West are the only two brands of TMIC i would use... Mate, for $50.00 more you can have that nice AVO FMIC...

is AVO a decent brand but??

and i would love a FMIC but doesn't that require a bit of engine re-fab??

[Rome_BRZ]

Hyperflow and Process West are the only two brands of TMIC i would use... Mate, for $50.00 more you can have that nice AVO FMIC...

is AVO a decent brand but??

and i would love a FMIC but doesn't that require a bit of engine re-fab??

Nope only some bumper cutting!

[bass_straitener]

Have a read and make up your mind.

http://rusubaru.com/intercooler-efficiency/

Whilst the article is for WRX's the same principles apply.

[Rome_BRZ]

Have a read and make up your mind.

http://rusubaru.com/intercooler-efficiency/

Whilst the article is for WRX's the same principles apply.

Reading one article won't lead to an informed decision.

There are pros and cons, and differing opinions no matter where you go on this matter. At the end of the day it comes down to the individual person. The fact that you run a risk with voiding insurance with a FMIC is probably the only undeniable fact, which an engineer's certificate can sort out. I've already spoken to three from the link provided and am confident that, pending price, I'll be getting one of them to sign off on my mods.

[dja]

Have a read and make up your mind.

http://rusubaru.com/intercooler-efficiency/

Whilst the article is for WRX's the same principles apply.

Oh jesus H god fearing christ, if anyone reads this and thinks its not direct marketing from a company, not an indifferent report, they have rocks in their heads, and should catch aids.

ROME: thankyou, its great so see a voice of reason, your the only person using your noggen, and doing research, the internet is not always research(unless its Xhamster)

For anyone wanting to know the difference, go for a drive in a TMIC car, and a FMIC car, simple.

Same boost levels, same speed, same tune, the fmic car will have colder, more dense air, that burns better in the cylinder, thus making more power.

You cannot refute science!!! (unless your religious, which is a whole other story.)

[jaydece]

Disadvantages to FMICs are:

increased turbo lag – although the FMIC core may be 3 times larger than a stock TMIC core, FMICs have much longer piping. Air has to travel the whole length of piping with more pressure loss. And, the much greater volume of air to compress in the whole system takes more time. This is the additional turbo lag; - RUBBISH......

FMICs make your turbo spool slower / about 500-1000 rpm later than if using a TMIC;
most aftermarket FMICs are incompatible with stock fog lights – fog lights will have to be removed; - WHAT! RUBBISH!!!

added weight – FMICs weigh quite a bit more than the stock due to sheer size and length of piping. The weight difference is made up in part by removal/cutting of your front bumper beam – this is necessary to install a FMIC on a WRX/STI; - NOW I'M GETTING ANGRY ......RUBBISHHHHHH!!!!

Looking at the article bruce put up.....the above statments are FARKING BULLSHITE!!!! Why? Cause I have tried both.....

1/ NO INCREASE IN LAG ( and if there is any? what 100-300 rpm? big whop! )
2/ SPOOL IS THE SAME / MAYBE FASTER / NO PSI DROP
2a/ I STILL HAVE MY FOGLIGHTS?
3/ ADDED WEIGHT? What if your core was made out of GOLD!
4/ BEST PART!? I CAN BACK IT UP WITH 280kw ATW and 1100Nm Of Train Pulling ....

[Kekotic]

I think Bruce is falling in to the trap again of thinking he's an expert in everything because he can use google.

Remember what happened with Revzone and all your "research" Bruce....

[<GB>]

Disadvantages to FMICs are:

increased turbo lag – although the FMIC core may be 3 times larger than a stock TMIC core, FMICs have much longer piping. Air has to travel the whole length of piping with more pressure loss. And, the much greater volume of air to compress in the whole system takes more time. This is the additional turbo lag; - RUBBISH......

FMICs make your turbo spool slower / about 500-1000 rpm later than if using a TMIC;
most aftermarket FMICs are incompatible with stock fog lights – fog lights will have to be removed; - WHAT! RUBBISH!!!

added weight – FMICs weigh quite a bit more than the stock due to sheer size and length of piping. The weight difference is made up in part by removal/cutting of your front bumper beam – this is necessary to install a FMIC on a WRX/STI; - NOW I'M GETTING ANGRY ......RUBBISHHHHHH!!!!

Looking at the article bruce put up.....the above statments are FARKING BULLSHITE!!!! Why? Cause I have tried both.....

1/ NO INCREASE IN LAG ( and if there is any? what 100-300 rpm? big whop! )
2/ SPOOL IS THE SAME / MAYBE FASTER / NO PSI DROP
2a/ I STILL HAVE MY FOGLIGHTS?
3/ ADDED WEIGHT? What if your core was made out of GOLD!
4/ BEST PART!? I CAN BACK IT UP WITH 280kw ATW and 1100Nm Of Train Pulling ....

well i guess a couple of things to consider

If you use say 3in not 2 or 2.5 you might notice a split second difference in lag im talking .3-.5 seconds from what ive read.

you need to use the right size tubing cause if air flows goes to fast through a pipe if becomes turbulent, you can calculate this for our cars 2-2.5 is big enough

a poor design can give you issues if i was designing a fmic id figure out how many bend or degrees of bends you have and reduce them as this tends to cause a disruption in flow so its not laminer id also reduce the length of pip as much as possible

using the right core this can be hard if nobody has specs, dont want to go too large or ebay style cheapy

i think lots of peoples lag comes from poor design and too larger cooler for fully sickness

[bass_straitener]

I think Bruce is falling in to the trap again of thinking he's an expert in everything because he can use google.

Remember what happened with Revzone and all your "research" Bruce....

Says the guy who does nothing but copies others and trolls.

Pretty rich there. Pfffft

[Kekotic]

Says the guy who does nothing but copies others

Pretty rich there. Pfffft

I happily admit that I know nothing and regurgitate what other people say on this forum when it's useful to others who are asking questions.
But I never claim to be an expert.

[<GB>]

Says the guy who does nothing but copies others

Pretty rich there. Pfffft

I happily admit that I know nothing and regurgitate what other people say on this forum when it's useful to others who are asking questions.
But I never claim to be an expert.

when did he say he was an expert? i thought he gave his opinion like we all have done