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257 Hybrid

PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 6:36 pm
by HighTech RedNeck
As most know i have just done a 257 Hybrid rebuild and its not starting.

Things i have checked:
Belt timing has been checked several times and rotated by hand with no noise or resistance
All Fuses
Fuel Supply
Fuel Injector signal
Engine Earth
CAS resistance 2020ohm
MAF

making a spark tester tomorrow but i do believe there is no spark at all, any thing else i can check before i push it out onto the street and set fire to it

Re: 257 Hybrid

PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:44 am
by HighTech RedNeck
still no go, add engine earth resistance 0.4 ohm

added a log while cranking

http://www.filehosting.org/file/details ... og0054.csv

Re: 257 Hybrid

PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:05 am
by HighTech RedNeck
I have live power to the coil plug and a good earth. no signal down the igniter wire even at connector B21.

Re: 257 Hybrid

PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:17 am
by BillyCorgi
Do you have the "Diagnostics for Engine Starting Failure" table from the service manual?

Re: 257 Hybrid

PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:32 am
by HighTech RedNeck
yep, thats what i am running threw

Re: 257 Hybrid

PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:34 am
by HighTech RedNeck
is the CAS the trigger for the ignition?

Re: 257 Hybrid

PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:55 am
by BillyCorgi
HighTech RedNeck wrote:is the CAS the trigger for the ignition?


There are four ignitors on the DOHC Turbo.
The ingnitors are powered from the ignition switch through fuse 12 and grounded by the ECM through pins 13 thru 16 - connector B21.
When the ECM opens these lines, the coil pack for the appropriate cylinder will fire.

By CAS do you mean Crank Angle Sensor?
There are three sensors on the turbo engine.
Crank Position Sensor (CPS)
Intake camshaft position sensor (LH & RH)
Exhaust camshaft position sensor (LH & RH)

Re: 257 Hybrid

PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:38 am
by HighTech RedNeck
yeah Crank angle sensor, the igniter wire to the coils are dead, no signal at all while cranking. so which is responsible for tell the ecu when to fire it

Re: 257 Hybrid

PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 12:28 pm
by BillyCorgi
You have checked continuity between the No.1 on E13; E32; E33; E34 and B135 No15; 16; 17; 18; respectively?
What does pins 15; 16; 17; 18 at the ecm do while ranking?
Has the insulation resistance between B135 No15; 16; 17; 18 and the engine ground been checked?
Cheers!

Re: 257 Hybrid

PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:05 pm
by HighTech RedNeck
only testing back to 21 due to multimeter cord length

Re: 257 Hybrid

PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:32 pm
by HighTech RedNeck
god damn I am retarded, I have been using resistance testing instead of continuity.

pete, I am using the coil plug on number 3 cylinder because it is easy to reach with out pulling shit apart. middle pin 1 E33 goes back to pin 12 on B21, is that right?

Re: 257 Hybrid

PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:40 pm
by HighTech RedNeck
testing continuity on pin 2 earth, no continuity but test light lights up when powered

Re: 257 Hybrid

PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 4:18 pm
by HighTech RedNeck
Earth Bat - alternator bracket
B135 P18 1.299 1.470
B135 P17 1.244 1.411
B135 P16 0.000 have plug off at coil
B135 P15 1.355 1.513

Re: 257 Hybrid

PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 4:47 pm
by BillyCorgi
Check here
http://imgur.com/TV23ZYo

Factory Service Manual says should be greater than 1 Mega-Ohm.
Check for short?

Re: 257 Hybrid

PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 5:53 pm
by HighTech RedNeck
got the wife to take a photo of the MM 1.470k would that be 1,470,000 ohm?

electrics aren't my forte and usually most of my work is just with a test light