Not reaching full boost till 3200rpm

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Not reaching full boost till 3200rpm

Postby Gyro Gearloose » Wed May 20, 2015 10:07 pm

Hi
I have a 2004 GT auto and I've noticed that it doesn't build boost till 3200ish rpm. It seems to run OK otherwise.
IAM is 1.00, In learned values on btssm I have 7.00% fuel correction at 0.00 maf, and -2.50% at 10.00maf.
-0.70 timing correction 3500rpm 1.90load.

I can post up a log.CSV if needed.
I tried stalling the tc and only got 5psi, once above 3200 it holds 14.5 perfectly.

Where do I look?

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Re: Not reaching full boost till 3200rpm

Postby jslayz » Wed May 20, 2015 10:13 pm

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Re: Not reaching full boost till 3200rpm

Postby Gyro Gearloose » Thu May 21, 2015 7:01 am

Haha no. Has the standard turbo.
Should also add that the old motor (200,000 kms) had a big end knock so I got another motor with about 97000kms. When I swapped the turbo there was no noticeable shaft play
Edit, all avcs seems to be working normally, left and right are always within 1deg of each other, for both in and exh.
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Re: Not reaching full boost till 3200rpm

Postby dr20t » Thu May 21, 2015 7:04 am

So many different causes it could be:

Blocked cat (or 2)
Cracked headers / uppipe
Leaking headers / uppipe
Tune out of whack
Inlet leak somewhere
Turbo itself
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Re: Not reaching full boost till 3200rpm

Postby Gyro Gearloose » Thu May 21, 2015 7:27 am

dr20t wrote:So many different causes it could be:

Blocked cat (or 2)
Cracked headers / uppipe
Leaking headers / uppipe
Tune out of whack
Inlet leak somewhere
Turbo itself


How do I test for blocked cat? When I had the dump pipe off it wasn't rattly. I could undo the center pipe and see if it helps.
Does a Blocked cat muffle the exhaust sound at all?
Cracked or leaking pre turbo exhaust would make a noticeable noise wouldn't it? My ea82t wagon sounded like a chaff cutter when the header cracked and my mates wrx whistles (like a kettle) cos he reused the turbo gaskets
How do I check my tune? I have btssm? I'm roughly halfway between Sydney and Brisbane.
Inlet leak would give poor running \idle symptoms wouldn't it?

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Re: Not reaching full boost till 3200rpm

Postby Gyro Gearloose » Fri May 22, 2015 6:48 am

Here is a screenshot of a log graph from btssm showing boost, rpm and speed. This was in 5th gear
First image shows 4.9psi at 2400rpm and 2nd image 14.3psi by 2771rpm
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This is staging with my foot on the brake. First image 2.7psi at 2400 2nd image 14.2rpm at 3022rpm
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When I bought this car I was expecting 14 psi to shoot up at 2400 pretty easily
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Re: Not reaching full boost till 3200rpm

Postby dr20t » Fri May 22, 2015 7:52 am

Something's definitely wrong

Just a tip - don't boost in 5th gear under load (wot or uphill or any elevation)

Doing this will result in a blown centre diff in quick succession

Testing for blocked cat will need to be done with cat off (to look through and see if blocked), pressure sensor before and after cat, or just removing it to test it out.
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Re: Not reaching full boost till 3200rpm

Postby Gyro Gearloose » Fri May 22, 2015 1:03 pm

dr20t wrote:Just a tip - don't boost in 5th gear under load (wot or uphill or any elevation)

Doing this will result in a blown centre diff in quick succession


This has be baffled... how?

dr20t wrote:Testing for blocked cat will need to be done with cat off (to look through and see if blocked), pressure sensor before and after cat, or just removing it to test it out.


So if I remove the centre pipe and look into the bottom of the first cat, it will visibly blocked? Like this one from google images?
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If I drive without the centre pipe I assume its wise to bypass the factory boost control and run wastegate pressure?

I can do some more logging, what would you like to see?
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Re: Not reaching full boost till 3200rpm

Postby Gyro Gearloose » Sun May 24, 2015 10:48 pm

I pulled the 2nd section of the dump and looked at the bottom of the 1st cat. Looked clean.
Started the car and built boost on the stall, no difference.
I got the Mrs to boost/stall it while I looked around the engine bay, no audible leaks
I pulled the bov hose off and there wasn't any noticeable air coming out at idle, unlike the wrx motor in my Rx. Fee reving the motor made air come out though.
I'll pull the dump off completely and look in from the top after work tomorrow.
I have a bad feeling it might be the turbo itself... Will I be able to tell with the dump pipe off?
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Re: Not reaching full boost till 3200rpm

Postby KiDo_Tuning » Mon May 25, 2015 11:26 am

I am in Coffs Harbour, happy to take a look and see whats going on
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Re: Not reaching full boost till 3200rpm

Postby Gyro Gearloose » Mon May 25, 2015 1:31 pm

Awesome. I might even get you to do me a tune at some stage
I'll be in coffs on wednesday morning but it will be a rushed trip. Do you have a workshop or do you work from home?

I'll be in contact before Wednesday
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Re: Not reaching full boost till 3200rpm

Postby KiDo_Tuning » Mon May 25, 2015 7:05 pm

Gyro Gearloose wrote:Awesome. I might even get you to do me a tune at some stage
I'll be in coffs on wednesday morning but it will be a rushed trip. Do you have a workshop or do you work from home?

I'll be in contact before Wednesday


Wednesday morning I am at the workshop from 8.30am until midday
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Re: Not reaching full boost till 3200rpm

Postby Gyro Gearloose » Thu May 28, 2015 1:49 pm

Huge thanks to Matt, he discovered that my turbo is a bit lazy, probably getting to the end of its life or insufficient oil supply, and that I have a slight boost leak.

First on the cards is check the throttlebody hose because there is a bit of oil and dust stuck to everything around it and a silicone inlet cos I have to remove the factory one to remove the banjo oil filter. (wish I had have known about this filter 2 months ago when the motor was out)
So then I am looking for either a low km or refirbished VF38, or maybe a kinugawa TD04HLA 19T twin scroll.

Which of the 2 would provide the quickest spooling?
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Re: Not reaching full boost till 3200rpm

Postby KiDo_Tuning » Fri May 29, 2015 4:52 pm

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Re: Not reaching full boost till 3200rpm

Postby Gyro Gearloose » Fri May 29, 2015 7:38 pm

Id like to get a dump pipe as well but funds are not going to stretch that far.

Has anyone made their own dump pipe? I made one for my Subaru L series wagon with 2 mandrel bends when I turbo converted it and it
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