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Is this a real 3.0R Spec B?

Postby CreeR2 » Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:24 pm

Hi everyone

I'm new to this forum & very new to Liberty's. I'm wanting to pick up a Subaru Liberty 3.0R Spec B.

I test drove one today. It's a 2006 model (said MY07) in the ad, had the 18inch rims, McIntosh system everything.

Problem is, it was missing the Si-Drive! I've read heaps of reviews and they say it's apparently supposed to come with it, I was quite surprised it was missing.

The owner told me that it was introduced in the later models, but tried to do some research on google to no avail.

Can you guys confirm whether this is a real 3.0R Spec B or not? Thanks in advance!
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Re: Is this a real 3.0R Spec B?

Postby Sentinel » Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:53 pm

Firstly, Welcome!

MY06 Spec B is what we call a pre-face lift model. It did not have SI-Drive. That little piece of electrical wizardry (although some say "marketing crap") was introduced on the MY07-09 model or post-face lift version.

The MY07-09 Spec B has Bilstein suspension, more aggressive front airdam in the spoiler (compared to the standard 3R), revised head and tail lights, 18" shadow chrome wheels and few other things. Personally, I think that seats were better in the MY06 than the MY07, but...

I'm not 100% on this bit, but I think that both pre and post run the same engines (as in same output and torque) and the same 6sp man or 5sp auto.

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MY07-09 - Spec B Wagon and Sedan
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MY04-06 - Spec B Front (Note the STi lip is not standard. And kudos to the owner :wink:)
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MY04-06 - Spec B Rear (Kudos to the owner :wink:)
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Re: Is this a real 3.0R Spec B?

Postby Woodduck » Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:09 am

Yeah mate i have an '06 3.0R B and it doesnt have S-I drive. Trust me, you wont be disapointed with your purchase :D
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Re: Is this a real 3.0R Spec B?

Postby CreeR2 » Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:11 am

Thanks a lot for the help there Sentinel. It seems as though this car is a MY06 advertised as a MY07, because the front looks like a MY06 model.

So what's the difference between MY06 as compared to the latter models? The MY06 don't have bilstein suspension?

Here is the car in question, can you please confirm whether this is indeed a MY06 or MY07-onwards?

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=7091384&__sid=123641CB3C22&__Qpb=true&Cr=0&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Price_Decimal%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cpCar_Model_String%7c0&keywords=&__N=1216%201282%204294963801%204294963605%204294789933%20903%201622&seot=1&__Nne=15&trecs=1&silo=1011
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Re: Is this a real 3.0R Spec B?

Postby Sentinel » Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:17 am

That is definitely an MY06. And it says MY06 in the advertisement. Why did you think it was 2007?

Also, with respect to differences, re-read my first post mate. It states a few big differentiations. :wink:

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Re: Is this a real 3.0R Spec B?

Postby Woodduck » Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:25 am

Correct me if i am wrong, but the pre-facelift 3.0R Bs also have Bilstein suspension did they not? Apart from wheels, lights and bumpers, there isnt that much differnce between the facelift and pre-facelift as far as im aware? A few little tricks like Si drive, but pretty much the same car.
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Re: Is this a real 3.0R Spec B?

Postby CreeR2 » Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:29 am

Oh nah it's stated as a MY07 in the ad.

2006 SUBARU LIBERTY 4GEN MY07 3.0R AWD SPEC.B

Unless 2006 model definately means MY06 then that's obvious because I know sometimes the MY can be different from the year made? Well now we got this figured out this seems to be definately a Spec.B yeah? Because from my understanding the 3.0R Premium didn't come in manual or 18inch rims...

Geez it's so confusing because Subaru has so many different models, kinda hard to tell the difference sometimes!
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Re: Is this a real 3.0R Spec B?

Postby CreeR2 » Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:30 am

Woodduck wrote:Correct me if i am wrong, but the pre-facelift 3.0R Bs also have Bilstein suspension did they not? Apart from wheels, lights and bumpers, there isnt that much differnce between the facelift and pre-facelift as far as im aware? A few little tricks like Si drive, but pretty much the same car.


Yes I think you are correct, I've looked up MY06 Liberty Spec B's and they seem to have Bilstein suspension as well, can anyone else confirm?
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Re: Is this a real 3.0R Spec B?

Postby dwayne » Mon Aug 31, 2009 1:02 am

CreeR2 wrote:
Woodduck wrote:Correct me if i am wrong, but the pre-facelift 3.0R Bs also have Bilstein suspension did they not? Apart from wheels, lights and bumpers, there isnt that much differnce between the facelift and pre-facelift as far as im aware? A few little tricks like Si drive, but pretty much the same car.


Yes I think you are correct, I've looked up MY06 Liberty Spec B's and they seem to have Bilstein suspension as well, can anyone else confirm?


Yep, no question about it. The 3.0R's were all Auto and had 17" rims, , MY05 3.0R Spec B was 6 sp manual only, MY06 were offerred in Auto and Manual, and looked identical from the outside. The 3.0R Spec B's all had 18 inch 7 spoke rims, 6 sp man or 5 sp auto, NO SI-Drive, bilsten shocks (spec B bit !!). The 3.0R and 3.0RB could be differentiated from all other models as they had chrome strip running underneath the doors, and chrome surround around the front grill. No way to tell the differencde from behind between a 2.5, 3.0R, 3.0RB or GT.

MY07's saw the introduction of Bilstein into other engines (2.5T of course), and all 3.0's and 2.5T's got HID's, poorer seats, poorer steering wheel, SI drive, and revised instrument cluster. Also a different font used in the LCD on the clock underneath the cubby, and no light inside the cubby, plus other minor interior improvements/cheaper bits. McIntosh went from 13 speakers to 14, and suddenly went from fantastic to craptacular.

The car you linked to on carsales is definitely an RB - check behind the wheels for yellow bits - that's the Bilsteins :-). Definitely an MY06, as that was the only year they had Violet Grey.

The MY06 RB is a great car, definitely fantastic seats, and handles pretty well. Just be careful about the service history, when the warranty runs out, and if it's been using large quantities of (engine) oil.

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Re: Is this a real 3.0R Spec B?

Postby CreeR2 » Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:03 am

That's very informative thanks heaps Dwayne!

Now just waiting for the seller to get back to me so I can pick this baby up!
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Re: Is this a real 3.0R Spec B?

Postby Ric » Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:56 am

CreeR2 wrote:Oh nah it's stated as a MY07 in the ad.

2006 SUBARU LIBERTY 4GEN MY07 3.0R AWD SPEC.B

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The seller has definitely made a mistake in the ad, that is an MY06, not an MY07.
The rego is also a giveaway. My MY06 SpecB was registered in March 2006, and the original plate was UAE-xxx. His is "TZA-xxx", and is registered till Jan-2010, so it was first registered in Jan-2006, long before MY07 was released.

Because of that mistake, the following items in the features list are wrong:

14 Speaker Stereo -> 13 speakers (no centre speaker in the dash)
Adjustable Steering Col. - Tilt & Reach. Tilt only
Audio - Mp3 Decoder - nope CDDA only
Audio - Wma Decoder - nope CDDA only
Chrome Fog Lamp Bezels/Surrounds - just black
Electric Seat - Drivers With Memory - both electric, but no memory on either
Headlamp Washers - nope (not needed, not HID)
Headlamps - Bi-Xenon (For Low & High Beam) - nope, just projector style with H4 globe
Headlamps - Electric Level Adjustment - nope, not required as not HID
Headlamps - High Intensity Discharge - nope
Multi-Function Control Screen - nope (gimmick ;))
Roof Racks - huh? They are not standard on any model. Roof rack MOUNTS are standard.
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Re: Is this a real 3.0R Spec B?

Postby dwayne » Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:20 pm

Ric wrote:The seller has definitely made a mistake in the ad, that is an MY06, not an MY07.
The rego is also a giveaway. My MY06 SpecB was registered in March 2006, and the original plate was UAE-xxx. His is "TZA-xxx", and is registered till Jan-2010, so it was first registered in Jan-2006, long before MY07 was released.

Because of that mistake, the following items in the features list are wrong:

14 Speaker Stereo -> 13 speakers (no centre speaker in the dash)
Adjustable Steering Col. - Tilt & Reach. Tilt only
Audio - Mp3 Decoder - nope CDDA only
Audio - Wma Decoder - nope CDDA only
Chrome Fog Lamp Bezels/Surrounds - just black
Electric Seat - Drivers With Memory - both electric, but no memory on either
Headlamp Washers - nope (not needed, not HID)
Headlamps - Bi-Xenon (For Low & High Beam) - nope, just projector style with H4 globe
Headlamps - Electric Level Adjustment - nope, not required as not HID
Headlamps - High Intensity Discharge - nope
Multi-Function Control Screen - nope (gimmick ;))
Roof Racks - huh? They are not standard on any model. Roof rack MOUNTS are standard.


LibGeek ! :)

Might also be worth mentioning that the MY06 13 speaker setup was better than the MY05 as they introduced better midrange speakers. Midrange was always lacking a bit prior to MY06, so MY06 definitely had the best stereo. Then it went downhill in MY07+. You can add an iPod input via a Clarion EA1251 to the MY04/05/06 McIntosh that will hook up to your iPod for all your MP3 loving.

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Re: Is this a real 3.0R Spec B?

Postby Woodduck » Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:50 pm

Ahh so that would explain why i was always confused when every complained about how crap the macintosh was. I love mine!
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Re: Is this a real 3.0R Spec B?

Postby Loose1 » Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:01 pm

Also i believe the 3.0r only came with beige interior?
And me too woodduck im havin a good time with my mac :D
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Re: Is this a real 3.0R Spec B?

Postby CreeR2 » Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:43 pm

Ric wrote:
CreeR2 wrote:Oh nah it's stated as a MY07 in the ad.

2006 SUBARU LIBERTY 4GEN MY07 3.0R AWD SPEC.B

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The seller has definitely made a mistake in the ad, that is an MY06, not an MY07.
The rego is also a giveaway. My MY06 SpecB was registered in March 2006, and the original plate was UAE-xxx. His is "TZA-xxx", and is registered till Jan-2010, so it was first registered in Jan-2006, long before MY07 was released.

Because of that mistake, the following items in the features list are wrong:

14 Speaker Stereo -> 13 speakers (no centre speaker in the dash)
Adjustable Steering Col. - Tilt & Reach. Tilt only
Audio - Mp3 Decoder - nope CDDA only
Audio - Wma Decoder - nope CDDA only
Chrome Fog Lamp Bezels/Surrounds - just black
Electric Seat - Drivers With Memory - both electric, but no memory on either
Headlamp Washers - nope (not needed, not HID)
Headlamps - Bi-Xenon (For Low & High Beam) - nope, just projector style with H4 globe
Headlamps - Electric Level Adjustment - nope, not required as not HID
Headlamps - High Intensity Discharge - nope
Multi-Function Control Screen - nope (gimmick ;))
Roof Racks - huh? They are not standard on any model. Roof rack MOUNTS are standard.


Nice pick up there Rick! Geez that's a lot of things that's different... this is basically false advertising!

What does this mean Rick? Electric Seat - Drivers With Memory - both electric, but no memory on either
Does that mean I have to set the chair again all the time?

Oh well he hasn't got back to me yet, I still want the car though but you guys reckon the cars worth $26,500? Cause that was my offer...

The interior is black or gunmetal btw, not beige....
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