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Perrin H6 Turbo build

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 6:47 pm
by BlackFlatSix05
If you have ever wondered what you 3.0lt engine looks like on the inside then have a look at the link below. Also on page 16 there is a comparison of conrods of Sti, Wrx and H6. Seems the 3.0 has the weakest of them all.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=959768

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 7:04 pm
by Loose1
Bo0o0o its closed for maintenance

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 7:06 pm
by Loose1
Bo0o0o its closed for maintenance

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 7:07 pm
by BlackFlatSix05
Loose1 wrote:Bo0o0o its closed for maintenance


Be patient. Like Arnie, "They'll be back"

PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 9:10 am
by vaccine

PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 11:42 am
by Spec B Wgn
vaccine wrote:then go to perrins website. :roll:
http://www.perrinperformance.com/pages/show/32


THE ENGINE

There are many things about this engine that are very cool. Just looking at the specs doesn't do it justice. 3.0L, 6 cylinders, DOHC, AVCS, AVLS, 250HP in stock form, aluminum block, forged steel crank, chain driven cams, and only .700" longer than an EJ20! Did I mention 3 point zero liters! Being familiar with the 4 bangers, the first thing that I was interested in seeing was how the Variable lift worked. The cams are the first strange thing you see as each valve has 3 lobes. One central lobe for the low lift and 2 outer ones for high lift, longer duration. The bucket is where the magic happens. There is an inner and outer piston that rubs on both cam lobes all time. When the solenoid allows oil pressure to shoot through the oil gallery, it locks the inner piston to the outer piston/bucket, and bam, new cam profile. I have to say this is probably the coolest part of the engine. Word is this is a co-developed technology from Porsche and Subaru, sure enough the parts are made in Germany.

PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 4:41 pm
by BlackFlatSix05
vaccine wrote:then go to perrins website. :roll:
http://www.perrinperformance.com/pages/show/32


I like the bit at the conclusion. "Bye bye boxer rumble. Hello boxer smoothie"

I wonder if they have any plans to supply a kit :D

PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 4:43 pm
by GTSPECB STI
unfortunately it was a show car only for Perrin and now a few years old to boot.

PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 5:04 pm
by Spec B Wgn
GTSPECB STI wrote:unfortunately it was a show car only for Perrin and now a few years old to boot.


true but there are a few replicas these days running around.

check this out guys...

http://www.viddler.com/explore/62mph/videos/3/

2x Gt35r's plus a AMG clutched supercharger. Aparently it does 435 Whp at the wheels.

runs a C32 AMG blower then the turbos cut in at 4,500 rpm running 20 odd boost

flat 11's and lights all 4 wheels up no problems before the turbo's cut in......o_o

an engineering masterpiece...

Pure Genius

PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 6:10 pm
by DeMobBoss
Spec B Wgn wrote:
vaccine wrote:then go to perrins website. :roll:
http://www.perrinperformance.com/pages/show/32


THE ENGINE

There are many things about this engine that are very cool. Just looking at the specs doesn't do it justice. 3.0L, 6 cylinders, DOHC, AVCS, AVLS, 250HP in stock form, aluminum block, forged steel crank, chain driven cams, and only .700" longer than an EJ20! Did I mention 3 point zero liters! Being familiar with the 4 bangers, the first thing that I was interested in seeing was how the Variable lift worked. The cams are the first strange thing you see as each valve has 3 lobes. One central lobe for the low lift and 2 outer ones for high lift, longer duration. The bucket is where the magic happens. There is an inner and outer piston that rubs on both cam lobes all time. When the solenoid allows oil pressure to shoot through the oil gallery, it locks the inner piston to the outer piston/bucket, and bam, new cam profile. I have to say this is probably the coolest part of the engine. Word is this is a co-developed technology from Porsche and Subaru, sure enough the parts are made in Germany.



Yeah that freaky valve gearing, its pure genius. Some Aussie combie mechanic thought of it too but when he went to the cpoyright office, turned out, Porsche had thought of it first.
As for the write up - its pretty thorough and needless to say I've studied it more than a few times before I embarked on the double whammy version myself.
I've seen the insides of a H6 on a shortblock and the stock conrods in the H6 are less stockier than any H4 because there are two more of them in the H6 so each individual conrod handles almost 10% less power than those in the H4. But, of course with HPTurbocharging they probably won't handle anything past 8-10psi.
The block itself has a surprising amount of robustness over-engineered into it.
Will post some photos and write-up of our build on here one day.

PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 6:41 pm
by DeMobBoss
Spec B Wgn wrote:
GTSPECB STI wrote:unfortunately it was a show car only for Perrin and now a few years old to boot.


true but there are a few replicas these days running around.

check this out guys...

http://www.viddler.com/explore/62mph/videos/3/

2x Gt35r's plus a AMG clutched supercharger. Aparently it does 435 Whp at the wheels.

runs a C32 AMG blower then the turbos cut in at 4,500 rpm running 20 odd boost

flat 11's and lights all 4 wheels up no problems before the turbo's cut in......o_o

an engineering masterpiece...



Hohoooooly Sheeeeyat that thing is a freakin' wild animal!!! Damn!!! :twisted: Awesome, but still doesn't make sense to me why you'd go to the trouble of cannibalising an MB supercharger to overcome all that lag all the way upto 4500rpm (apart from the fact that it would sound soooo cooool) - why not just use two smaller turbos instead of one giant ball bearing one :wink: (Sorry couldn't resist):wink:. BTW he only talks about one GT35r not two:?:
I'd love to hear this thing tick over and take off. Doeas anyone know of any followup videos?

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by Spec B Wgn
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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 11:26 am
by DeMobBoss
Hold on a minute!!! Thats NOT A H6 AT ALL!!! Why is it even mentioned in this topic.
Damn I actually thought it was a H6 before I saw those photographs - how disappointing...
Still, a fascinating build but, completely out of place here when we are talking about the Perrin H6T build...

PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 4:09 pm
by sheppo9
Here's an Australian fella building his H6 up;
http://www.h6-sti.com/index1.htm

PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 4:33 pm
by Spec B Wgn
DeMobBoss wrote:Hold on a minute!!! Thats NOT A H6 AT ALL!!! Why is it even mentioned in this topic.
Damn I actually thought it was a H6 before I saw those photographs - how disappointing...
Still, a fascinating build but, completely out of place here when we are talking about the Perrin H6T build...


yer sorry my mistake completely....

i apologise 100% ... my error totally