H6 turbo

[kiks]

I wonder if I can get an SC customer to go across to the sugar juice and get a tune up, I suspect the numbers would be identical for the same Psi - which in itself is quite interesting

LOL

[dr20t]

Lol @ your prices. Go do it and tell me it didnt cost $30k for the long block it self. Clearancing the main bearings is a 30+ hour job and costs $1.5k+ in subaru case bolts alone.

Also, is shit idea. Just rip the gay subaru engine out and fit something useful like a 2j.
A 2JZ fits. Does whats needed, you'll never break another front driveshaft again, and for an honest 6k does what $30-40k EZ30 does.

A stock EZ30 with a turbo is value right there though. baller as.

Also kidoperson.

That perrin piece of shit blew holes in the block once, siezed a main another time, caught fire twice, was sold twice, didnt run for 6 years because americans are retarded, and made a full 250 less horsepower than it's earlier completed, and still running flawlessly at 600+hp atw Australian counterpart.

I'll punch you in the balls

Although I do agree that subie engines are junk

[senator]

the MDX BW setup? watching Dan's updates of the install...pure porn!

Knowing what I know now, I'd get a H6 over a GT.

H6 stable with a ~60lbs/min turbo (e.g.BW EFR7670) putting out ~250kW???

any links to the build thread?

[KiDo_Tuning]

I wonder if I can get an SC customer to go across to the sugar juice and get a tune up, I suspect the numbers would be identical for the same Psi - which in itself is quite interesting

LOL

300whp@4800rpm on 4psi not good enough for you?

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[KiDo_Tuning]

Lol @ your prices. Go do it and tell me it didnt cost $30k for the long block it self. Clearancing the main bearings is a 30+ hour job and costs $1.5k+ in subaru case bolts alone.

Also, is shit idea. Just rip the gay subaru engine out and fit something useful like a 2j.
A 2JZ fits. Does whats needed, you'll never break another front driveshaft again, and for an honest 6k does what $30-40k EZ30 does.

A stock EZ30 with a turbo is value right there though. baller as.

Also kidoperson.

That perrin piece of shit blew holes in the block once, siezed a main another time, caught fire twice, was sold twice, didnt run for 6 years because americans are retarded, and made a full 250 less horsepower than it's earlier completed, and still running flawlessly at 600+hp atw Australian counterpart.

Yeah, already have one 3L built locally and backed up by 2 built 3.6L motors. Fully assembled engine cost under $9k... that includes one of the 3.6L getting forged offset rods which were custom made and ordered as a set of 8 so the manufacturer did not know what they were producing Other 3.6L is still on stock rods which considering their FA20 heritage is nothing to laugh at

I retuned a turbo H6 07 WRX last year in America that was built based of the Perrin kit. No issues yet.

[kiks]

Lol.

Yeah, ok bloke.

Thanks for the amazing work you do for the integrity of your industry. Shithead.

[jslayz]

Hmmmmm I must have been napping......WTF has produced this anger?

[jakey]

I think kikz is missing AWD........

[kiks]

Im naturally grumpy.

[SubMeister]

So your massive technical knowledge and the "that's just me" argument let's you say whatever you want, in whatever manner you want, and hell even the moderator here doesn't seem to mind.

Unsubscribed.

[kiahatsiu]

Kiks actually has a lot of experience with h6s, turbos, turbo h6s and subarus. He actually has a lot of technical knowledge.

Also, I am going to by this turbo kit if it comes up for sale, just so no one else can have it.

[kiahatsiu]

No offence to matt kido here, but too many of you blindly follow what he says. Look at the engine Mick specced, that is a real estimste people. I too have heard terrible things about the perrin kit.

[kiks]

There's also a big difference in a slap together, and a well built engine.

Ez30 oil pumps need huge work done to them, all by hand, all custom. This information isn't on the internet. The internet doesn't tell you about the dozen seized/blown up ez's all over the world. People don't let that shit out of the bag.
The cam bearings are wrong, entire valve train needs huge attention. Despite stock valve and cam size being mint for a solid 450 and now 650hp atw so far for 7 years straight. The mains distort a huge amount. That's why it takes a full working week and 4+ sets of stock Subaru new case bolts to get the main tunneled straight and all bearings in spec. There are NO off the shelf con rods you would put in one if you had a clue, you machine the counterweights and fit EJ22T CBD sized big end bearings.

There's such a huge list of shit to do, but that's for an engine that doesn't explode with a 10k over rev. Several times.
And like I said, reliable.

As for stock slap on turbos and superchargers, the superchargers here sold as gospel are making 80 less horsepower peak, and 50-100 less at most points across the rev range. None of them run the mph figures that back up the dyno figure either. It's a good case of American one make forum style shilling. I mean, the bullshit stops at the 1320 mark.

As for price, who knows. If you took those excellent raptor headers (which are amazing compared to stock tripple walled square 20mm square holes pressed together) and had someone competent slap up the pipe work off those to a mid frame turbo of your choice it's seemingly impossible to see how any non roots supercharger could make the same power. Sure the delivery would be different (without speaking which is better or worse). But it's a simple matter of sacrificial losses, inefficient design for the compromise of 'bolt on'. That's fine. But math is math. Hydraulic horsepower is a simple as fuck equation to work out. Turbine flow much more complex, but luckily well documented in real world. Fact is we all know a turbo is more efficient at whatever you want to do. Efficiency in emissions, longevity, power, torque, economy. Pick one or two. Manufacturers spend combined billions to have them as a jack of all trades, and the aftermarket does an excellent to job of harnessing the fruits of their labour. Garrett tech these days is nothing short of mind blowing. It ain't the 80's and it ain't a dark art. But that said, it's more work, more difficult than a compromised bolt in blower. That's why there is a market, and if that's what people want that's awesome. But don't bullshit them saying it's better than an even retardedly put together snail.

[west_minist]

Good info Kiks in addition to the review of the Perrin H6 Turbo years after their project. Is all on Nasioc for those who want to view.

[kiks]

Problem with the multiple perun blocks and copies made, is they're done wrong.

The sum of parts does not equate to a complete product. You can have all the darton, carillo, cp, and unobtanium shit in the world. If you're building a 700hp 6cyl engine, why do things that a 500hp 4cyl doesn't need? Sleeves, huge headwork, bullshit and aids. You have 2 extra rods to share the load, 4 extra ports to move air. It's just American faggotry to the max, hence they're stupid cunts who can't get shit to work. 9 megasquirt aem water injectomatic things later and it's a balls up.

It's the same with crate engines and shit. One well built 350 lasts 10 years of being flogged, an average one with 10k of parts lasts a dyno session only.