3.0L H6 on E85 = WINNING

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Re: 3.0L H6 on E85 = WINNING

Postby Niveiro » Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:47 am

alexeiwoody wrote:Doesn't look like a direct plug in.

This one is though and comes with the $130 factory filter to boot:
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Thanks for your reply.

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Re: 3.0L H6 on E85 = WINNING

Postby Ric B » Tue Oct 21, 2014 12:01 pm

Is it necessary to replace the AFR sensor with e85 flex sensor?
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Re: 3.0L H6 on E85 = WINNING

Postby KiDo_Tuning » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:28 pm

Ric B wrote:Is it necessary to replace the AFR sensor with e85 flex sensor?


No :)
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Re: 3.0L H6 on E85 = WINNING

Postby Flat6Estate » Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:45 am

Does everything work ok if I have the E85 flex tune, but run 95/98 most of the time - Due to availability, or someone else not filling it with E85?
Obviously power will be down, but what about economy compared to my current Kido tune?
Any risk of damage running 95/98?
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Re: 3.0L H6 on E85 = WINNING

Postby (sic) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:41 pm

Flat6Estate wrote:Does everything work ok if I have the E85 flex tune, but run 95/98 most of the time - Due to availability, or someone else not filling it with E85?
Obviously power will be down, but what about economy compared to my current Kido tune?
Any risk of damage running 95/98?

Unless you have an actual alcohol sensor installed and the appropriate maps then you cant mix petrol and E85 willy nilly. -This is where the true term flex comes from.
Matts tune* supports maximum 50-50 ratio of E85 to petrol. eg. 20L E85 20L 98 petrol to get you by, but you have to put E85 in asap.

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Re: 3.0L H6 on E85 = WINNING

Postby Ric B » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:04 pm

Putting the pressure on!

Quite happy with the base tune for E85 , With the partner in the car and driving a bit more politically correct has reasonable L/100 kms
A bit hard not to put the foot down though LOL

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Flat6Estate wrote:Does everything work ok if I have the E85 flex tune, but run 95/98 most of the time - Due to availability, or someone else not filling it with E85?
Obviously power will be down, but what about economy compared to my current Kido tune?
Any risk of damage running 95/98?

Unless you have an actual alcohol sensor installed and the appropriate maps then you cant mix petrol and E85 willy nilly. -This is where the true term flex comes from.
Matts tune* supports maximum 50-50 ratio of E85 to petrol. eg. 20L E85 20L 98 petrol to get you by, but you have to put E85 in asap.

*Matt to confirm!
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Re: 3.0L H6 on E85 = WINNING

Postby mattmcc22 » Sat Nov 22, 2014 1:06 pm

So I was browsing the forums this morning. Dreaming about next year when I can afford to go to e85 and start to put some more mods on the car when I came across the kiahatsu challenge or whatever. One of the topics on the 3 litre section. And I saw that someone on e85 with stock exhaust ran a quarter mile at 110 mph. Doing rough guesses using deep and dark calculators found throughout the interweb, I came to the belief that his car would be putting out like 280 odd kw. And that just seems like a crazy amount. But would that be approximately correct or are those sort of calculators dodgy?
Just sounds like an insane amount to power for just changing to e85. (5+ litre v8's put out that much power...)
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Re: 3.0L H6 on E85 = WINNING

Postby alexeiwoody » Sat Nov 22, 2014 1:28 pm

mattmcc22 wrote:So I was browsing the forums this morning. Dreaming about next year when I can afford to go to e85 and start to put some more mods on the car when I came across the kiahatsu challenge or whatever. One of the topics on the 3 litre section. And I saw that someone on e85 with stock exhaust ran a quarter mile at 110 mph. Doing rough guesses using deep and dark calculators found throughout the interweb, I came to the belief that his car would be putting out like 280 odd kw. And that just seems like a crazy amount. But would that be approximately correct or are those sort of calculators dodgy?
Just sounds like an insane amount to power for just changing to e85. (5+ litre v8's put out that much power...)


110 is closer to 240-260kwatw on the lib. There is no stock exhaust naturally aspirated lib to hit 110mph e85 or whatever. There was one, where the speed was a faulty reading as you can see by the ET of 14.6 seconds iirc.

3.0L on e85 - expect to be hitting 100mph or just under, from what I've seen.
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Re: 3.0L H6 on E85 = WINNING

Postby mattmcc22 » Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:22 pm

Oh ok haha I was quite confused I just assumed he rolled of slowly, thanks for the clarification. So what sort of power gain is to be expected. Approximately...
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Re: 3.0L H6 on E85 = WINNING

Postby cliffo3rb » Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:08 pm

150-160kwatw would be a fair call I think.

I have a full exhaust + e85 and only just hit the 100mph with a best time of 14.2.

Hopefully head down this week with my upgraded clutch to see if I can crack the 13's.
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Re: 3.0L H6 on E85 = WINNING

Postby mattmcc22 » Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:14 pm

Ok nice
thanks for the help guys
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Re: 3.0L H6 on E85 = WINNING

Postby 666 » Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:23 pm

Nothing to do with E85 and ET speeds/times but my 2005 3.0L manual Spec.B has been dyno'd and puts 145Kw ATW. This is with Raptor headers, Raptor Ram Air intake, Hi-Tech rear mufflers and KiDo tune. I would love it if one of you E85 guys put your car onto an all wheel dyno and post your findings.

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Re: 3.0L H6 on E85 = WINNING

Postby McDoof » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:33 am

Nothing to do with E85 and ET speeds/times but my 2005 3.0L manual Spec.B has been dyno'd and puts 145Kw ATW. This is with Raptor headers, Raptor Ram Air intake, Hi-Tech rear mufflers and KiDo tune. I would love it if one of you E85 guys put your car onto an all wheel dyno and post your findings.

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Is the rest of your exhaust stock?
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Re: 3.0L H6 on E85 = WINNING

Postby 666 » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:00 pm

McDoof wrote:
Nothing to do with E85 and ET speeds/times but my 2005 3.0L manual Spec.B has been dyno'd and puts 145Kw ATW. This is with Raptor headers, Raptor Ram Air intake, Hi-Tech rear mufflers and KiDo tune. I would love it if one of you E85 guys put your car onto an all wheel dyno and post your findings.

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Is the rest of your exhaust stock?


Yes, stock primary cats and third cat as well as the centre resonator.

Having had a good look at the exhaust the only thing I would do is replace the primary cats with something more high flow, delete the third cat altogether and I would leave that centre resonator there, it is a straight through design and helps keep the drone down. Not sure what if any gains will be had by doing this work but for the moment I'm leaving it as is.

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Re: 3.0L H6 on E85 = WINNING

Postby Niveiro » Mon May 25, 2015 12:55 am

Hi guys!

I have read this topic, but is not yet clear to me the consumption after the e85 tune on H6.

Can anyone that did it share your experience?

Thanks!

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