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alessandro132 wrote:None of those will fit. I think a post facelift 2.5i lip should fit.







don't quote me on it

Thanks al. I think the ultrex ones fit.

Looking to get F&R sways. Looking for fixed units. Not worried about the adj versions as the car wont see a track but Im wanting improved handling in & out of corners.

Are these the models I need to go for? Will I notice a difference over stock?
FRONT - 22mm HEAVY DUTY
http://www.whiteline.com.au/product_det ... mber=BSF30

REAR - 20mm HEAVY DUTY
http://www.whiteline.com.au/product_det ... mber=BSR39

Currently at speed I can feel the rear end wanting to slide out when turning so I want to control that, but I also want to improve turn in. Currently get some understeer at speed entering a corner. Is that due to my tire quality or can the sways improve this? Am thinking of getting some adjustments to the wheel alignment done to help turn in and hopefully control a bit more of the understeer. Possibly add some neg camber (-0.5deg) to front wheels and perhaps 1-2mm max toe in. I know this will add additional wear to the tires, but feathering of the tire corners I can live with. Just looking for a short term improvement at this point in time.

thoughts?

Whiteline definitely. Speak to Taylor Renshaw

If you want to keep understeer at bay, then I'd be leaving the front sway bar stock and getting an uprated rear bar. This way you'll promote a bit more oversteer (which I always prefer to understeer) at the limit. You can then allocate the unspent front bar coin towards uprated mounts to go with it (stock mounts are weak as piss).

I see you're still running stock bushes. Definitely upgrade these to either the J Speed or Whiteline ALK (I prefer the J Speed as they come with the castor-adjustable shims). This will improve front turn in quite substantially. Adding some negative camber and a tiiiiiiny bit of toe out will help too (0.5mm ought to do it methinks).

alessandro132 wrote:If you want to keep understeer at bay, then I'd be leaving the front sway bar stock and getting an uprated rear bar. This way you'll promote a bit more oversteer (which I always prefer to understeer) at the limit. You can then allocate the unspent front bar coin towards uprated mounts to go with it (stock mounts are weak as piss).

I see you're still running stock bushes. Definitely upgrade these to either the J Speed or Whiteline ALK (I prefer the J Speed as they come with the castor-adjustable shims). This will improve front turn in quite substantially. Adding some negative camber and a tiiiiiiny bit of toe out will help too (0.5mm ought to do it methinks).

Excuse my severe ignorance but:

When you say 'uprated mount', do you mean the front or rear ones or both?

Also with the bushes do you also mean F&R? Do you have a part number for J speed units?

Rear the stiffer bar will put more stress on the factory mount (very thin piece of steel as it is! ) so an upgraded mount (either Cusco or AVO) should do you nicely. I've got the AVO which has the extra subframe brace for additional stability over the Cusco item

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Also the J Speeds are for the rear bushes - no idea of the part number but just order them from G88 and you'll be sorted!

Looks like this:

Hmm well I don't want a mount to break so ensuring that was upgraded might not be a bad idea. Will mean only doing the rear and the mount will be all I can do for now. I've only got $450 to play with so I want the best bang for buck but with reliability in mind. That cash has to include the labor too.

I'm kind of torn between doing the sways or spending the cash on doing a few things I've wanted to fix on the car like the rear tint, and dynamat the rear parcel shelf with an upgraded sub. To some degree I want to do the sways but both front and rear with all the mounts and bushes upgraded not just a bit here and a bit there. Id rather hit it all at once is what Im saying. Does that sound logical?

Then down the track I'll look at the tmic & tbe with retune all at once too. I e only got a set amount for how until I get my mid year bonus so its kind of pointless doin a bit here and there and not feeling the full benefit of what the suspension would feel like at its best.

Thoughts?

Shav I reckon you're better off doing the suspension mods incrementally (better for the wallet plus more likelihood of noticing improvements over whacking it all in at once).

If you do the rears you'll notice a difference. Then save up more cash and do the LCAs. Then note the differences and if you're still unhappy with the roll, then upgrade the fronts.

I just think doing F/R sways with factory LCA bushes and standard mounts won't be appreciated as much. My 2c

alessandro132 wrote:Shav I reckon you're better off doing the suspension mods incrementally (better for the wallet plus more likelihood of noticing improvements over whacking it all in at once).

If you do the rears you'll notice a difference. Then save up more cash and do the LCAs. Then note the differences and if you're still unhappy with the roll, then upgrade the fronts.

I just think doing F/R sways with factory LCA bushes and standard mounts won't be appreciated as much. My 2c

Thanks Al. I should have made myself clearer. If I went the F&R sways I would also do the mounts, LCA's, bushes, the works all at once rather than just half here, half there. I know what you mean by feeling the changes incrementally. That is true. I probably wouldn't appreciate the improvements enough if it was done all at once. But I dunno, I'm of the opinion, if you're gonna do it, do it in one hit and be done with it. It might sound stupid but does that make sense?

So hypothetically speaking, if I was to do the rear sway only, I would get the sway ($200), new rear mounts (be it Cusco or AVO for $140), and new J speed bushes (not sure on price)? Does any of the bushes need to be pressed in?

shav wrote:Thanks Al. I should have made myself clearer. If I went the F&R sways I would also do the mounts, LCA's, bushes, the works all at once rather than just half here, half there. I know what you mean by feeling the changes incrementally. That is true. I probably wouldn't appreciate the improvements enough if it was done all at once. But I dunno, I'm of the opinion, if you're gonna do it, do it in one hit and be done with it. It might sound stupid but does that make sense?

So hypothetically speaking, if I was to do the rear sway only, I would get the sway ($200), new rear mounts (be it Cusco or AVO for $140), and new J speed bushes (not sure on price)? Does any of the bushes need to be pressed in?

Ahhh, gotcha, yeah that definitely makes more sense!

If you were to do the rear bar + HD mount + LCA bushes, the bushes are $240 from G88 plus should be around $30 labour to take out the control arm, remove the old bushes and then press in the new ones then bolt back up. Add a wheel alignment for another $30 and you'll be home and hosed (also can request more -ve camber and a bit more +ve toe )

alessandro132 wrote:

shav wrote:Thanks Al. I should have made myself clearer. If I went the F&R sways I would also do the mounts, LCA's, bushes, the works all at once rather than just half here, half there. I know what you mean by feeling the changes incrementally. That is true. I probably wouldn't appreciate the improvements enough if it was done all at once. But I dunno, I'm of the opinion, if you're gonna do it, do it in one hit and be done with it. It might sound stupid but does that make sense?

So hypothetically speaking, if I was to do the rear sway only, I would get the sway ($200), new rear mounts (be it Cusco or AVO for $140), and new J speed bushes (not sure on price)? Does any of the bushes need to be pressed in?

Ahhh, gotcha, yeah that definitely makes more sense!

If you were to do the rear bar + HD mount + LCA bushes, the bushes are $240 from G88 plus should be around $30 labour to take out the control arm, remove the old bushes and then press in the new ones then bolt back up. Add a wheel alignment for another $30 and you'll be home and hosed (also can request more -ve camber and a bit more +ve toe )

Thanks mate. That does sound good. Knowing the price of the LCA's thats just gonna push my immediate budget over. $200 + $140 + $240 + labour = too much for now. I have a $450 budget to spend at this point in time. To do the suspension justice, I'd like to do both F&R sways, all mounts and bushes done all at one time sometime in the middle of this year. I'd say I would need to budget a min of 1k for that. Bear in mind, I have no intention of lowering the car or changing the vehicle ride quality. If anything, waaaay down the track I'd upgrade the shocks to Koni Adjustables or something.

Can you see my dilemma at the moment? It sucks, but that is all I have to deal with at this point till mid year bonus.

There are a variety of LCA bushes as understandably $240 for the J Speeds will push you over budget

I've heard good things about the Fulcrum LCA bushes (aka SuperPro bushes) - looks like you can get 'em for $158 from Brakes Direct (link here)

This is the description from the website: SuperPro SPF2801K LCA rear bushings

Could be a game-changer!

Can't help with the budiet but can offer my experience .had j speed bushes fitted at g88 was just over 300 buks then next day fitted whiteline sways and eibach springs and had a wheel alignment done and the difference is like day and night even with the front sway still is more rear happy but feels super confident in the front where it never did before.
Rides a bit firmer but not harsh ( I drive Sydney's shitest rd daily )
Deffs worth doing the mods when you have the cash

alessandro132 wrote:There are a variety of LCA bushes as understandably $240 for the J Speeds will push you over budget

I've heard good things about the Fulcrum LCA bushes (aka SuperPro bushes) - looks like you can get 'em for $158 from Brakes Direct (link here)

This is the description from the website: SuperPro SPF2801K LCA rear bushings

Could be a game-changer!

Very true. Taylor also suggested the White line versions too as opposed to the J Speed ones, possibly at a cheaper rate. If I can get the price of the LCA bushes down, then I could push the budget a little with the mrs to get it done. It's been something I've wanted to do for ages (reduce the understeer). I love to drive this car, but in stock form it gets me nervous pushing it into a corner if I know it wont turn like I want it too. Coming from an AU falcon which had WL F&R sways, Eibach springs and BOGE shocks and a host of Superpro bushes, I am used to precise handling as it was setup really well for hills driving. Don't get me wrong, the stock Subaru suspension is good, just not that good if you know what I mean and I'd like to feel the handling I was once used to again.