imania wrote:Rebuild is not at Revzone. Stop pushing your own agenda Alexei, it's worn very thin. I know I'm not the only one tired of reading your confrontational retorts.
Going to take a guess? Is Paul doing it? In good hands!
Why not Revzone?
imania wrote:Rebuild is not at Revzone. Stop pushing your own agenda Alexei, it's worn very thin. I know I'm not the only one tired of reading your confrontational retorts.
dr20t wrote:
5. Bad luck and another case of "Subaru - all to fuck the driver"
Good luck with it mate
Mick
jaydece wrote:Why not Revzone?

alexeiwoody wrote:chubbs wrote:For the record Alexie Owen/Revzone warned me I need a retune asap and it was me who delayed the retune. The heads lifting had nothing to do with revzones exceptional work and I would recommend them to anyone! Matts tuning wasnt the case either. Alexie have you ever had work done at revzone before? Are you aware of the quality of work they do? Phil did what I paid him to do. Im the one who pushed it with bigger turbo and other mods to lift the heads. Nothing to do with Matts tune or Owens work. And whats this shit about owens old engine. Your speaking of somwthing you know nothing about.......
Good to hear about RevZone. I apologise if you thought I was questioning the quality of work, only how things should be done, to avoid a blown engine.
This being the 4th kido tuned lib on the forum (off the top of my head) this year alone needing a rebuild, unless you're a tuner yourself, I don't see how you can say there wasn't a problem. You're merely speculating that the problem happened while the car wasn't tuned. Kudos to you, IMO it's very generous of you.
As for Owen's engine - Matt sent me a few details about it, along with 4 other people. Even if I knew nothing, the point that a perfectly healthy EJ doesn't require replacement still stands.
Hint, its not the only one owen wrote:^GTFO
Are you seriously trying to tell me that after you tuned my car, you can't be held responsible for the price of fish?!?!
peadya100 wrote:owen wrote:^GTFO
Are you seriously trying to tell me that after you tuned my car, you can't be held responsible for the price of fish?!?!
Yeah the tuner should never wipe their hands of the problem. Regardless of who they think is to blame.
Plus I think we're all sick of the "who's a better tuner" thing Matt. Every tuner makes mistakes from time to time. Saying you re-tune other tuners work is a null point, as the same is often said about your tunes. So for the sake of putting that to bed, let's call it a tie. All the main tuners are equally good.
dr20t wrote:Matt is one of the best that I've seen. Very busy and often hard to catch, but his knowledge is sound. But even then he makes mistakes. And I know Matt can also be aggressive with tunes if the owner so wishes. Not having a dig at Matt here but if the owner wants a dyno figure, then as long as Matt explains the risks, you can't blame him.
I've been honest with matt about some of my concerns if he pushes too much ignition or cam timing and the impacts of this for some setups. Especially if he doesn't know the background / history of the engine etc. I am quite comfortable however that Matt does build in sufficient buffer into his tunes so any catastrophic failures can be caught early.
My strong advice to anyone chasing over 200kw atw from an EJ series motor is to ensure its tuned on a dyno, with knock ears. This is even more important on stock pistons running 98 Ron fuel. E85 I would be more concerned about cylinder pressure and dynamic compression ratio which can only be tested on a dyno as you can push well past MBT on e85 without knowing it until you get reversion or diminishing piston speed / torque. And that can only be properly done on a dyno.
In my opinion you can't blame a tuner for an under engineered engine from the get go. Whoever thinks the ej255 is a good platform for anything over 200kw atw is off their tree. The ej255 is an economy engine not a race engine.
Again it does come down to quality of parts and build quality but in this instance I think Phil Lowe has the requisite knowledge to shit on all ppl on this forum. Given the engine was stock other than headstuds then I think it comes down to another case of too much strain for the shit ej255. Fact is the ej255 is not conducive to sustainable high power. I know I've said in the past that they can be built to 230awkw reliably. But the more I learn the more I refine that backward. The ej255 is simply not built to tolerate high cylinder pressures for a long time in stock form.
The one thing msr is renowned for is building and tuning an engine. I think this offers a great point of difference as he obviously knows what he has built and can tune accordingly. This provides a good risk platform for a built motor (even stock rebuild etc).
Moral of the story - you pay to play. Bolt on mod choice is critical, as is engine history etc. Tune needs to be spot on and don't risk any bolt on mods without a tune.
Mick

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