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AP Racing Big Brakes

To be completely honest, on both street and track, I was really happy with my previous brake setup. Consisting of Cadillac CTSV 4 piston Brembo calipers, Forza FP3 brake pads, Vmax ‘J’ type 326m rotors and braided lines at the front, with the stock Spec B rear calipers paired with Intima SR pads and 296mm Vmax ‘J’ type rotors and braided lines at the rear, the only thing I swapped out for track use was the front pads; I could get about 2 hot laps from the Intima's and 3 hot laps from the Forza’s, but swapping to Winmax W7’s just at the front for track use got me unlimited hot laps (at least until something else overheats).

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Even with this in mind, however, I was still left wanting more. With the upgraded master cylinder the pedal feel was *fine*, but driving friends cars with fixed piston calipers on all 4 corners I knew rear Brembo’s were definitely on the cards. I had actually come to this conclusion quite a while ago, but the lack of people prepared to part with just the rear Brembo’s made this hard to actually implement. The aesthetic benefits of a proper BBK cannot be understated in my opinion, but the real reason for wanting more was to experiment with potentially less-aggressive pads for daily driving in the colder months, with all the drivability benefits that comes with this, but still having something that can cope with elevated temperatures and still have access to a decent catalogue of more aggressive options for both track and summer use.

I managed to get my hands on a set of 4 AP Racing calipers, rotors and pads as new, open box stock, for an almost unbelievable price. A check of the serial numbers on the calipers showed they were, in fact, genuine, and for only a bit more than the cost of a set of used front and rear STi Brembo's I jumped at the chance! The fronts are CP9040 6 piston calipers, featuring 27mm, 31.8mm and 38.1mm pistons, and the rears are CP5200 4 piston calipers, featuring 38.1mm and 41.3mm pistons. Both calipers are of two-piece bolted forged aluminium construction.

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The fronts are paired with two piece 355mm x 32mm rotors with aluminium centre hats, and the rears are 345mm x 28mm, with steel centre hats for compatibility with the STi 190mm handbrake assembly.

The fronts are clearly a kit sold by ProSpeed Racing (https://www.prospeedracing.com.au/AP-Ra ... /Toyota-86), but the rears are a bit odd. For starters, the CP5200 calipers are only *officially* compatible with up to 330mmx28mm rotors, which means these 345mm rotors are not going to have optimum pad contact, with a benefit of increased brake torque and more cooling. I could not find a kit anywhere for this caliper and rotor combination, and the poor (read: non existent) fitment on my Gen 4 Liberty makes me think these were not actually made for a Subaru (but the inclusion of the handbrake drum means I have no idea). I assume they are a bespoke creation that never saw fitment.

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AP Racing CP3215D50 pads (rear) on the left, stock Spec B rear pads on the right!

I really liked the red finish on these, but given I have put a lot of effort into trying to keep this car as subtle as possible I couldn’t leave them that colour. After a lot of deliberation, and wanting something different to my old black brake setup, I decided to go with a bright silver. This colour, I hoped, would blend in nicely with the rotor surface, while still being somewhat visible under closer inspection.

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The stock AP Racing finish is paint, rather than powder-coat, which makes changing the colour of the calipers somewhat straightforward. After scuffing up the existing paint and masking off all non-painted surfaces the calipers were painted using many thin coats of DupliColour silver caliper paint.

After giving the silver paint a good month or so to allow any solvents to fully flash off, labels were added to the front calipers with a set of black high temperature vinyl. The rear calipers, with their indented letters, was a different story entirely. I tried many different techniques to mask and paint these letters, but none worked satisfactorily.

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To paint these recessed letters I ended up roughly masking the rest of the caliper, and then spraying black caliper paint over and into the letter recesses. This would inevitably end up getting paint on non-letter parts of the calipers, but after removing the masking and allowing the paint to flash off for 5 minutes the excess paint was removed with paint thinners on a very absorbent rag. This was repeated for multiple coats until a decent finish was reached.

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After giving this black paint a few weeks to completely flash off, the front face of the calipers was polished to remove any remaining black paint residue.

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After seeing the single-pack clear coat I applied to my old Brembo calipers get destroyed in a very short time from both brake fluid and UV yellowing I decided to clear coat these new calipers with 2 pack epoxy paint. Without access to a suitable spray gun I tried out 2 part paint-in-a-can, which worked really well! Whilst I wouldn’t use this to respray a car, for brake calipers the finish is definitely more than good enough, and the chemical and UV resistance of 2 part paint totally justifies the extra cost. The semi-gloss paint I used catches the light nicely, without being attention-grabbing.

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The front caliper fitment required new front hub assemblies, as my old ones were modified to fit the CTSV Brembo’s in such a way that they wouldn’t work with the AP Racing calipers. I got a set of front hubs from a local wrecking yard, and given everything would have to be taken apart anyway I replaced everything (new wheel bearings and new mounting hardware everywhere), and I chose to replace the (less than 10k km old) Whiteline bump steer and roll centre correction ball joints and tie-rod ends, as these were already showing significant signs of wear- these I replaced with some much higher quality HardRace products. At this point in time I have removed every Whiteline product on my car as none of them have lasted more than 15k kms, and I wouldn’t recommend their products to my worst enemy, but I digress.

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Front caliper fitment was otherwise straightforward, with the new calipers being compatible with the stock banjos, and the adaptor that came with the calipers spaced them out perfectly- although with not much clearance to my 18” wheels! The front rotor dust shield had already been modified when I installed the Brembo's, so I didn’t need to touch these this time.

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Fitment of the rear calipers was a lot more challenging. I chose to replace the rear wheel bearings at the same time, as well as the rear differential (more on this in another post), as well as all the mounting hardware for everything that bolts to the rear arms.

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The centre hats that came with the rear rotors suits the STi 190mm handbrake assembly, whereas my Spec B had the 170mm handbrake. Rather than go to the effort of a full hand brake assembly conversion, I got a set of WRX to STi conversion shoes. These do not, however, fit the Liberty handbrake, and I learnt (after purchase of course) that shoes do also exist to convert the Liberty handbrake without modification (but these are a lot less common, and a lot more expensive). The shoes only require their pivot point hole to be moved, which was as simple as holding the original handbrake shoe over the new one and re-drilling the hole. There is a lot of movement built into the design of the handbrake drum, so these holes didn't have to be particularly precise.

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The mounting bracket that came with the rear calipers did not fit on my car, and after cutting part of the bracket away to allow it to clear the hub it would not hold the caliper in the correct spot. A quick google seems to suggest this bracket may work on the GR WRX, but I am not quite sure.

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To get these calipers working on my car I ended up designing new brackets after taking a bunch of measurements. A couple of 3D printed test brackets allowed me to perfectly dial in the fitment, and ensured as good as possible pad and rotor coverage. Some quick maths showed that the PLA brackets would actually be barely strong enough at the expected caliper loading (with a safety factor of 1.06!), but I got the brackets CNC manufactured from billet 6061, which the maths (and basic simulations) showed would give me a safety factor of about 16.5 which is much more comfortable!

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I ended up using the services of an online CNC manufacture as I don’t have access to one at home. The two brackets arrived 10 business days after I uploaded the file, and only cost me about $90aud per bracket, shipped, which I am quite impressed with.

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The quality of the brackets is fantastic; I opted for a brushed finish; and were dimensionally perfect to the accuracy I am able to measure at home. I only had to thread the mounting holes before I could mount the calipers (I chose not to have the CNC machine do this as it is a time consuming, and therefore expensive, process, and I had the correct taps in my toolbox anyway).

While taking everything apart for the first time I noticed a damaged rear brake line. I fitted these brake lines from HEL Performance in 2019, and in that time the rear calipers had never been removed and the lines never clamped. There was measurable ballooning evident at the damage site, and it looks like possibly an internal fault in the line which caused the damage to the outer coating. Thankfully HEL’s customer service is fantastic and a replacement line was on it’s way to me within a day of initially contacting them.

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With all the parts finally lined up and sorted the rear caliper install went smoothly as well- after a lot of preparation work anyway. The modified handbrake shoes, with a new fitting kit, work perfectly, and the custom brackets hold the calipers in the perfect position. The rear dust shields did have to be removed to fit the extra 55mm of brake rotor; this was easily done by using a thin power file to grind away the spot welds. Both front and rear calipers and brackets were mounted up with strong semi-permanent thread lock.

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To the surprise of probably not too many people, this setup was significantly worse than the one it replaced. I was expecting the standard AP Racing pads to be not as good as my tried-and-true setup, but I was also worried about the impact on the brake bias that this larger setup would have after having done some basic calculations for piston and pad area etc.

These concerns would be well founded, as I immediately noticed the rear wheels would lock up really easily. For day to day driving with light braking this wasn’t noticeable, but as soon as I had to brake harder it would see the rear wheels get the ABS treatment almost immediately. This could be solved to some degree by locking the centre differential; this forced the front and rear axles to turn at the same speed and eliminating the effects of brake bias, but this is not a solution for either daily driving or when looking for performance, as the locked centre diff causes drive train windup on grippy surfaces and makes the car handle worse.

With the centre diff set to anything other than locked, braking hard into a corner would immediately see the rear wheels lock up, resulting in the ABS pump activating, and upsetting the balance of the car causing oversteer. With the centre differential locked up the brakes felt amazing; the car pulls up crazy hard and the pedal feel and feedback was nothing like anything I had experienced before. However, the locked centre differential causes the car to scrub through the corners and in most circumstances would see the onset of understeer. Worth noting I could reprogram the DCCD controller to react better in this situation, but given the time I had put into programming it previously and how happy I was with that setup I didn’t really want to put a bandaid over the problem.

The solution to this decidedly first world problem was the installation of a set of brake proportioning valves (one for each rear left and right caliper to suit the 4 channel ABS). Mounted after the ABS pump, the two valves are plumbed into the hard lines that go to the rear caliper. A custom hybrid aluminium and 3D printed bracket holds the two valves next to each other right in front of the master cylinder.

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After the mess that was the custom hard lines for the master cylinder swap I decided to go with custom braided lines to and from the valves. A high quality braided line should have no real downside compared to a hard line, and allows for direct connections without any adaptors or additional fittings.

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Proportioning valves are commonly fitted from the factory to older vehicles, but it is a common modification in the racing community to get braking performance dialled in perfectly. They function as a pressure regulating valve, allowing the brake line pressure to pass through the valve until a certain pressure is reached, where after a set point the valve causes a slower pressure build up than the line pressure build up. This behaviour ensures good day-to-day driveability by not adjusting the brake line pressure under day-to-day braking conditions, while allowing for a reduction in rear caliper pressure (and thus reducing the chance of the rear wheels locking up) under heavier braking conditions.

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A system like this is normally fairly challenging to set up correctly, especially as the way I have this set up also allows for left-right pressure adjustment which is very dangerous if setup incorrectly. Thankfully a friend got me onto the Safe-T-Stop system at the workshop he works at, which is essentially a simple brake dyno. This system gives a readout of the braking force at each wheel, and allowed me to very accurately set up the valves for optimum stopping power.

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The first test after an initial setup. This test shows the left-right bias at the front and back on the top diagram, and the front-rear bias on the bottom diagram, with the actual braking force in newtons written inside the ‘wheels’ of the top diagram. I was not happy with my previous alignment that’s for sure!

With the valves ‘off’ (ie. not doing anything) the bias was close to 55%F-45%R, which explains why the car was so undriveable. Over the course of about 15 minutes we were able to get the bias to 65%F-35%R. This is a little more rear biased than normal for a street car, but this will ensure the large rear brakes will still be doing their fair share of work. I have now reprogrammed the DCCD controller to lock up harder under braking, without completely locking up the centre diff, and the factory ABS-based proportioning system works well enough, even before the addition of the proportioning valves, that it can still be relied upon to be the safety net that it’s supposed to be.

I am still not happy with the outright performance of the included AP Racing APF404 pads- these just don’t have the hot performance of the Intima’s or the Forza’s, but for a daily-driver focused pad they are very quiet, very clean (not dusty), have very good cold performance and feedback like nothing I have ever experienced before. What they do allow me to feel, however, is the potential that this setup offers and I can’t wait until better pads (and better weather) arrives so I can push these things harder!

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by JezzaH6
Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:37 pm
 
Forum: Post your mods
Topic: Member Profile- 2007 3.0r-b sedan 65Z 6MT
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Re: Member Profile- 2007 3.0r-b sedan 65Z 6MT

With a bit of free time at the moment I figured it would be good to get a few random things written up before tackling some of the more complicated ones. If there’s anything in particular you want me to go into more detail about just let me know! In no particular order:

Alcantara steering wheel retrim

I’ve always liked driving mates cars who have spent stupid money on aftermarket alcantara steering wheels, but I couldn’t justify spending that sort of money on a steering wheel. I had already replaced my steering wheel in the past (the leather on my original wheel was quite worn when I bought the car, so I replaced it pretty early one with a good condition used one), which meant I had a spare steering wheel laying around.

I ordered a re-trimming kit from East detailing, for a somewhat reasonable $200ish made with genuine alcantara. They also do cheaper kits in suede and leather. This kit came with strong double sided tape, as well as thread, a needle and decent instructions. I followed these over the course of a few hours; it was quite tedious but in the end I am really happy with the result. It both classes up the interior and feels nice to boot!

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Bumper Repair

After a run-in with a rabbit very late one night up in the Alpine National Park my front bumper needed repair. Thankfully it didn’t manage to damage my oil cooler, which sits right behind the damaged area. My guard did it’s job!

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The bumper was cracked in a few places, so I used some 3mm aluminium bar stock to reinforce the broken parts, and to add some extra protection to the oil cooler. Over these plates I laid 3 layers of fibreglass cloth, which was coated in epoxy, giving a strong and solid repair. Care was taken to remove as much air as possible to ensure as strong of a repair as possible.

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A layer of body filler was applied over the cracks on the outside, which once set was sanded smooth and blended into the bumper. This was then primed, painted with colour matched paint and gloss clear, all from spray cans.

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A new fog light surround, and a final polish, finished off the repair, leaving the bumper stronger than ever! Not the best bumper repair ever, but good enough for me.

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Clutch Line

After a post-track day inspection I noticed a weird orange fluid dripping onto the starter motor. Removing the intake plenum made it obvious that the orange fluid was coming from the flexible clutch line, specifically the crimp fitting that bolts to the line going to the clutch master cylinder. Draining the master cylinder and line revealed that the clutch system was filthy.

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I ended up pulling out the clutch hard line and flushed it out multiple times with fresh brake fluid. The clutch master cylinder also got flushed multiple times. I purchased a new, braided, clutch flexible line from HEL Performance to replace the leaky original line.

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With the hard and flexible lines replaced the clutch system was bled; a vacuum bleeder makes this much easier.

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The whole clutch system was filthy; I’m actually not certain when it was last flushed but it hadn’t been done previously in my ownership. I don’t quite know how leaky brake fluid turns orange, but at least it’s repaired now. I used Motul RBF660 as clutch fluid since I had some of that laying around; this is way overkill for a clutch system but it should last quite a while. I have also now gotten in the habit of checking the clutch fluid every service.

Would be interested to hear from anyone with a similar experience here- I have absolutely no idea how brake fluid turns orange! It’s not like the starter motor gets a particularly hard use on a track day either; perhaps it's heat transferring from the clutch, into the clutch fork and into the slave cylinder, but I do doubt this.

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Heated Seat Install

After going on a long distance, late night drive in my parents 2021 XV, I knew I wanted heated seats in my car too!

I ended up purchasing a kit off AliExpress, and it was ridiculously cheap- less than $50 delivered. There are many different styles of switches and element layouts, but I found mine by searching for ‘Heated Seat Kit’ (there are many generic offerings). The kit I purchased has 4 heating element pads; 1 for each backrest and cushion. Each of the pads is 25 watts, for a total power consumption of 100 watts when both seats are turned up to the max. The controller is 5 way adjustable for each seat.

The installation of these wasn’t particularly difficult, but it was a bit tedious. First, the seats were removed and the backrest separated from the base.

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With the seat back separated from the base, the cushion can be removed from the seat base- this is only held on with a few bolts.

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With the plastic clips attached to the seat cover pulled off the metal base, the cushion can be separated from its metal base.

I noticed at this stage that the seat base mounting locations were starting to separate from the metal base. These small mounting tabs are merely spot-welding on, and over time the spot welds crack and fail (my original seats had done the same thing). Since there was nothing left flammable on this metal base, I broke out the TIG and welded it back together. I used a few M5 bolts to hold the bracket together, welding those in as well as running a bead along the edge. Don’t judge too hard- I’m still learning TIG!

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The seat cushion cover can then be folded back, and side-cutters used to cut all the hog-rings holding the seat covers to the cushion, allowing the seat cover to be removed. The heating element could then be stuck to the cushion using its supplied double sided tape, making sure the power cable is at the back of seat, in a position where it’s under the backrest so you cant feel the cables when seated. Make sure the element is pushed down into the gap in the middle of the cushion, and a few holes were cut (making sure to avoid the elements themselves) to allow for the hog rings to hold the covers back on.

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As I didn’t have any replacement hog rings, or hog ring pliers, I used thick cable ties to re-mount the seat cover. I also doubled up the cable ties in spots likely to see higher forces. There is really only one order you can put this back together- make sure you take note of the way you take it apart or you may have to try multiple times!

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The back rest can be done in the same way. To remove the seat cover the plastic backing needs to be pried off; definitely use a plastic prying tool here if you don’t want to mark the seat. The plastic mounts for the head rest also need to be removed, and the only way of doing this is by using a really long pair of pliers to squeeze the clips together inside the top of the backrest. The backrest cover is quite a tight fit so be careful when removing it to ensure no stitches are torn and that the leather doesn’t get stretched. The heating element can then be installed in the same way as the base, again making sure the power cable is situated in a way that ensures you can’t feel it when seated.

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Make sure you pay attention to how you removed the back rest as it will only go back on in the exact reverse order! I also used heavy duty cable ties here instead of hog rings.

With both seat cushions back together the seat can be reassembled. The element power cables were routed together out of the way, and this is where I started to deviate from the supplied wiring diagram. Instead of running separate supplies to the top and bottom seat elements, I decided to wire each of the seat elements in parallel, which means I only have to run one power supply to each seat which will neaten up the wiring a fair bit- important for me with the amount of wiring I have already added to my car!

With the centre console removed I ran some new wiring for the seat heaters. I modified the loom that came with the seat heater kit, running one feed (positive and negative) to each seat. I protected the wiring with some loom tubing and heat shrink to neaten it up. These wires were run under the carpet and fed up the transmission tunnel, where they were then run together to the controller that was mounted up under the dash. I used the factory heated seat fuse and relay in the inside fusebox, which required a fuse and relay to be fitted into the correct blank spots. The wiring diagram that came with the kit was surprisingly detailed, and I simply followed that to get the illumination working.

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The control dials were mounted in the empty switch holder in the centre console. This mean I had to rearrange a fair bit of wiring, as I had previously mounted a USB hub and USB DAC as a part of my custom tablet install, as well as a 15 watt USB PD power supply, which feeds a port I added next to the cigarette lighter socket. All these extra parts in the way definitely made this install a lot more complicated, and making it even more challenging was that a lot of the space in the front of the centre console has already been used up thanks to my STi DCCD control install.

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Since my last track day I also purchased a thermal camera! This has been really useful for checking temperatures, and I have had a lot of fun playing around with it! It’s a Uni-T UTi260B, with a temp range of -20c to 550c and a thermal resolution of 256*192 pixels.

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by JezzaH6
Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:25 am
 
Forum: Post your mods
Topic: Member Profile- 2007 3.0r-b sedan 65Z 6MT
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Re: Member Profile- 2007 3.0r-b sedan 65Z 6MT

Winton Shenanigans

Take my word for it that a lot has changed on this thing, both as a part of fixing things that have broken, as well as upgrades. I have been incredibly lucky in that the industry I am working in while studying has stayed open (in fact got even more busy) throughout COVID, so time has been an incredibly valuable resource all of a sudden, and unfortunately that means I haven’t been able to update this as much as I would have like to (read: at all).

I feel it’s worth the time getting this out in writing though; both for the people that are stupid enough to take a Lib on track, as well as so I don’t forget what I have learnt! Plus I have always wanted to be able to do a Turbo Lag-style track day write up (although probably more ramble-y :lol: ).

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Between the last track day and this one a lot has changed on the car. In no particular order I am now running a TY856UB1KA from a 2009 JDM WRX STi, with a helical limited slip front different and DCCD, as well as a custom-made 42mm triple core radiator, a 10 row plate-and-fin style air-oil cooler and 2.25 turn (13.1) lock-to-lock steering rack (34110FE550 internals). I modified my adjustable upper rear camber arms to try and get a little more rear camber, and a brake master cylinder upgrade, Motul RBF660, Winmax W7’s, Nangkang AR1’s and Kein engine mounts joined the party as well.

The day started off pretty much perfect. No rain for the last few days, and another track day the previous day helps get rid of any moisture that seeped through the track. The first session started at an EZ30-friendly 20c, with minimal breeze. After having not been able to push the car hard for the last 6 months or so thanks to lockdowns, I immediately realised how out of practice I was, and this was clear with other drivers too, with traffic and general track etiquette being pretty poor.

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This didn’t stop the car from feeling absolutely amazing on the first few laps as I got re-acquainted with it! Temps stayed steady around 90c on coolant, and oil barely touched 115c. The steering felt nice and solid, and fresh brake fluid and the 1 1/16” BMC meant the brakes were rock solid. The AR1’s were incredibly communicative through the quick rack, and I immediately remembered why I made these sacrifices to daily-driveability.

However, the first hot lap I was getting a bad sense of deja-vu, with the brake pedal dropping almost completely to the floor. Getting back to the carport the problem was obvious- my heavily used W7’s were no more, and the thin remaining pad material must have transferred too much heat into the fluid, cooking it.

A change back to my street pads- I am currently trying Forza FP3’s- as well as a quick brake fluid flush and the pedal was back up to it’s normal firm feel.

I managed to do a 1:45.275, which considering I haven’t been able to drive the car properly in a long time I am pretty happy with. Watching it back there is still a lot I can do to improve, but its a good second faster than my previous PB and I am happy with that. Plus the car drove home!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYZGplYGryw&t=6s

Now for my learnings and observations.

The short ratio saw me use much more fuel than I did previously on the drive there and back- settling in a full 1.2l/100km higher than on the stock long ratio 6mt! NVH at 110kmh on the Kein mounts is definitely worse too now that its sitting above 3k rpm at this speed. However, it does mean the 4-5 shift is actually worth it now on the main straight, and I picked up almost 10km/h through this section! Admittedly some of this is the higher cornering speed, but before the swap I would have to shift at the 80m marker before turn 1, or bang it off the limiter for a second or so, both of which ended up taking the same amount of time. I now hit redline at about the 100m marker, and the extra distance means I get meaningful acceleration in 5th!

DCCD on track is amazing- you get the impression this is exactly what it was designed for. There is still definitely some tuning I can still do- I think its locking too much under braking- but the mid-corner grip is something to experience. It is incredibly confidence inspiring and I am 100% certain there is a lot more time to be made up. On some corners it allows you to get back onto the throttle before the apex, and even though you are turning hard you can feel as it works out how best to apply the power to get you around the corner.

You do obviously have to be driving it in the appropriate manner though. It is interesting in that you can got through a corner too fast off-throttle and the car starts to slide, but you can get another good 10-15km/h (and probably more) just by ensuring you are on-throttle throughout the corner, without a hint of under or oversteer.

This feeling was let down quite significantly by my very worn out rear differential. Supposedly this is a viscous LSD, however mine has over 250k kms on it and is definitely acting like an open diff. I thought this was going to fail so much that I actually brought a spare H6 spec B rear differential assembly with me to the track; thankfully I didn’t have to change it out as I have big plans for it!

Cooling system upgrades are 100% required for any H6 on track. I have no idea how people get away without upgrading their cooling systems on turbo EZ30’s on track or even through the hills- unless they just aren’t pushing them that hard. I got Race Radiators in Dandenong to make me a custom, full alloy 42mm triple-core radiator, and I am running 15% glycol, 1 full bottle of Redline Water Wetter and the rest distilled water, for a total of about 8 litres, and in 28c ambient I was still sitting around 98c coolant and 126c oil by the end of the session.

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However, I was able to do continuous hot laps (at least until brake fade) without the coolant or oil temperature becoming a problem. Previous to fitting this radiator I could barely get one hot lap before coolant was at the 104c where the gauge moves, and well beyond my avoid-if-at-all-possible 100c coolant temp alarm. This is definitely a good thing, and obviously through the hills ect I have absolutely zero cooling issues now.

The oil cooler also helps tremendously. I never had huge issues with oil temp on track; hitting a max of 142c in 35c ambient on previous track days, but as I still have the factory oil cooler/warmer this places a huge load on the coolant system that I wanted to reduce. Dropping 16c of oil temp with only a 7c difference in ambient is awesome, especially for such a small oil cooler.

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Worn-out W7’s suck, but Forza’s FP3’s blew me away! For what is ultimately a street-biased performance pad they held up amazingly well, and I was easily able to get 3 hot laps out of them before the pedal started to loose effectiveness. I have been daily-driving on these for the last 10 months or so, and they definitely have better initial bite, and hold up on track better than Intima SR’s.

Where they blew me away was how well they have recovered after the track day. On the SR’s I would have to sand off well over 2mm of pad material, and then re-bed them in, and they still were never as good as they were before the track day. The FP3’s, after a couple of hard brakes to take off the surface glaze, feel like they are back up to 100% of what they were before the track day. Highly recommended, even over the conventional logic that is the Intima SR’s.

The quick rack is a nice-to-have on track, but as the stock H6 Spec B rack is 2.7 turns lock-to-lock, the 2.25 of my new one is not a huge upgrade. Fitting this rack was a massive PITA, and deserves its own thread tbh, but long story short a successful rack internals swap meant I no longer had a leaky, worn out, loose-inner-tie-rod steering rack!

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My hand-work is incredibly sloppy in the video- in fact it was for the whole day. I put this down to tiredness and a lack of practice, but it should now be possible to completely a whole lap without having to reposition my hands, which is definitely a good thing. The increased steering weight and feedback is also appreciated when the going gets twisty; it makes it very easy to feel what the front wheels are doing.

Finally, although they are quite harsh and introduce much NVH into the cabin, Kein’s EZ30 engine mounts feel fantastic on track! My old mounts were completely ruined, and you could feel almost a pendulum effect through corners as the engine and transmission movement was slightly lagging the chassis. The car feels much stiffer, helping everything from turn-in to surface feedback. These are quite harsh though even on the naturally balance EZ30, and not something I would consider if you are not in a position to make the most of them through some twisty corners at the very least. I was considering swapping them back to OEM, but they have been slowly softening over the past few weeks and are now at a point where I can put up with them day-to-day, especially as I now know how good they are when you get to some corners.

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Broken Parts

Amazingly I came away from this track day with only two minor failures, both related, if you don’t count me running the W7’s when they were clearly already dead. Both of these related to the new steering rack.

I already knew the quicker rack was going to introduce more resistance to the power steering system, and thus increase the temperature of the fluid. What I wasn’t expecting was literally boiling the fluid in the first session! I was not particularly fast in this session, and experiencing brake issues I backed off early into it. By the time I got back to the carport, however, the fluid was still at 97c and, although it was less than a week old, had already turned a dark black colour, and definitely smelt burnt.

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I also noticed after this session the steering was noticeably heavier and slightly more vague-feeling, which I initially attributed to the cooked fluid. I ran out of time to fit a power steering cooler before this track day, but I would now say that it is an essential thing to have if you are running a quick rack on track- or even through longer sections of twisty roads, and one will be fitted before the next track day.

The other failure I noticed driving home, where the car was very hard to keep in a straight line. I didn’t notice this at the start of the day, but as I was exhausted by this point I figured it was just the AR1’s doing AR1 things, in combination with the quick rack. It felt like the car had dynamic toe, where faster steering movements required more movement to get the same turning angle compared to slower steering inputs, and the steering would randomly change its centred location. This was incredibly fatiguing to drive, at a point where I was already exhausted.

After lifting the car up for a post-track inspection like I normally do the problem was immediately noticeable- the brand new Whiteline steering rack mounting bushes had been literally extruded out from their location in the steering rack mounts! The bushes felt extremely soft to the touch, with only minor force required to deform them. Looking back at footage they seemed to have failed on the second lap of the day- which was at 1:56.890 so not fast at all- but at this point the steering wheel was no longer perfectly centred.

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As the new rack didn’t come with oem bushes, and my old ones were completely stuffed, I ended up 3D modelling and then 3D printing new steering rack mount bushes from TPU (thermoplastic polyurethane), which seems to be the same or similar material to what the Whiteline bushes are made from, but much much firmer. So far these have been in the car for about 500kms and even though I only replaced the easy-to-replace bottom bushes (the Whiteline bushes are a split bush and the top halves can only be replaced by dropping the rack) they have held up amazingly well!

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Overall the car held up amazingly well, and it only makes me annoyed in myself for holding it back. It still feels big and heavy on track, but that’s half the fun especially as I am not racing for a prize or anything like that. I learnt some stuff, and have some minor things to fix, but that’s half the reason I love this as a hobby!
by JezzaH6
Sat Nov 13, 2021 8:21 am
 
Forum: Post your mods
Topic: Member Profile- 2007 3.0r-b sedan 65Z 6MT
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Re: Member Profile- 2007 3.0r-b sedan 65Z 6MT

bigBADbenny wrote:Always the masterclass, Jezza!

The question is: is the pedal feel no longer progressive, is it “woody” ?


Cheers! I do my best :D

It's a hard one to describe I think, not as simple as saying 'firm' or 'woody'.

The brakes begin to engage after about 5mm of pedal travel- but this point can be adjusted by moving the clevis on the brake booster input shaft. After full engagement there is minimal movement in the brake pedal, which would be even better if I was running fixed piston callipers on all 4 corners. However, the pedal is still highly proportional; especially when you get used to the feel. You get more braking force the harder you push, the difference is the pedal does not travel much further for any addition in braking power.

I am very much not a fan of the stock brake feel of these cars; even my old impreza had a less mushy brake pedal. Watching videos of my first few track days it is obvious the thing holding me back was braking, and my lack of confidence was thanks to the mushy feeling brake pedal. When you are doing 160kmh 150 meters from a tight corner and you don't have 100% confidence in your brakes it definitely makes you drive slower! This was with braided lines, good pads and good fluid.

The confidence of a very firm brake pedal is something I really like, but it does take more concentration under lighter braking situations to not over brake. The pedal position does not communicate the level of braking power, rather you have to monitor the force you are applying to be able to successfully modulate the braking power.

Friends that have driven the car do tend to struggle at first to not over brake, but do seem to get the hang of it pretty quickly. I do agree that it is objectively fatiguing to have to concentrate more on your braking while daily driving- I wouldn't bother doing this to a daily driver.

At the end of the day it is a preference thing- I do prefer a pedal that doesn't feel like it is going to fall through the floor! I'm 100% sure that you could be just a fast or faster with the stock master cylinder. Mine needed replacing anyway, so I figured it would be a good chance to experience something that I had thought for a while would be a improvement to me!

bigBADbenny wrote: Keen to try it out when we’re back, hopefully sooooon! :P

With my car at the km where everything is going to be replaced eventually, it’s an upgrade I might just consider, especially being non VSC…


I would be interested to see what you think of it! I would definitely not describe the pedal feel as 'on-off'; I have driven cars that are like that and this setup definitely isn't that. As a non-vsc car it is a really easy thing to do!
by JezzaH6
Sat Oct 09, 2021 10:38 pm
 
Forum: Post your mods
Topic: Member Profile- 2007 3.0r-b sedan 65Z 6MT
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Re: Member Profile- 2007 3.0r-b sedan 65Z 6MT

nvmylh wrote:Hey Jezza I have been looking into my potential brembo brake install, can you confirm what model booster and master cylinder you run? GDB WRX STI? Was it a bolt on job? Cheers


No worries! You will have to change the brake booster if you are planning on running the 1 1/16" master cylinder- these master cylinders will not bolt onto the Lib brake booster! From what I was able to work out all the Subaru brake boosters share the same firewall mounting hole spacing; where they differ will be in the length of the brake booster input shaft, and the mounting pattern of the master cylinder. IIRC the 1 1/16" master cylinders were available in the WRX STi up until 2007, so any WRX brake booster up to 2007 will bolt onto the Liberty firewall and will allow you to bolt the bigger master cylinder to it.

The one I got for mine is from an 06 GDB WRX STi- part number F01G061021. These have the benefit of being 'tuned' for brembos- whether or not this makes much of difference though I have no idea. I chose this one as I got it used for a good price- I paid about $80 for it which was comparable to a non-brembo brake booster at the time. This fit in my car (sedan) with zero modifications to the booster itself; however in a friends car (wagon) the welded seams of the booster interfered ever so slightly with the brake lines running behind it. This was easy to fix by rolling over the welded seams with a hammer- which had no detrimental effect to the booster.

The clevis where the brake booster input shaft connects to the brake pedal does need some modification. The input shaft on the WRX boosters is slightly longer- if you connect it directly to the brake pedal of the Liberty it will lock-up the brakes the first time you use them- and not release them again. This is easy to fix by drilling a new mounting hole in the clevis 10mm below the existing one. I also ended up trimming about 8mm off the threaded section of the input rod- but make sure you measure this on your car as this measurement depends on where you drill the new hole! This allowed me to adjust the pedal position where the brakes start to grab to be only a few mm into its travel, leading to an immediate braking effect that is very confidence inspiring.

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New hole drilling in booster input shaft clevis

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New mounting location of clevis pin versus old

The master cylinder I bought brand new. My entire reason for the upgrade was a suspected master cylinder failure, and I didn't want to mess around with a used part that is safety critical. I ended up purchasing a Protex master cylinder- part number 210A0076. This has the 1 1/16" (26.98mm) inner bore, and uses M10x1.0 double flare fittings. If your car does not have VSC congratulations- it will bolt onto the new brake booster and you can use your existing brake lines! Even the electrical connector for the brake fluid level sensor is the same.

If you have a VSC-equipped car, however, bad luck as you are not done yet. The VSC master cylinder uses M12x1.0 fittings and the ports are in different locations to the non-vsc cars. There is no 1 1/16" master cylinder fitted to vsc-equipped Subarus. As far as I can tell the VSC system uses these larger fittings as the pressure pulses when VSC activates are large, and the M12 fittings ensure they are not a bottleneck. In saying that, I have now had the new master cylinder fitted for many vsc-activating moments and had zero issues. You will require custom brake lines with M12x1.0 fittings for the ABS pump side, and M10x1.0 fittings for the master cylinder. I ended up getting some thick wire, bending it into shape with the new master cylinder installed and took that to the local brake shop to get the custom lines made, which cost me $30 for the two lines. I got these lines made up with 1/4" steel brake lines, which is the stock VSC size, to ensure minimal resistance to spikes in fluid flow.

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Custom hard lines (mock up) required for VSC-equipped vehicles

It is definitely worth bench bleeding the master cylinder before installing it. If you buy it brand new there is no reason to not compress the piston the whole way, and it should only take 15-20 pumps of the piston to get the air out. if it takes longer than this you may have a DOA master cylinder- we experienced this doing this swap on Leon's (turbolag's) wagon. After attaching the lines I then bled them, leaving them only loosely connected to the ABS pump. This helps reduce the amount of air you get in the ABS pump, and makes bleeding that a lot easier. Be very very very careful with the fittings going into the aluminium ABS pump- the first lot of custom lines I got had a bubble flare, not a double flare. When I went to tighten the fitting it just stripped out the ABS pump :angry2: . Be very careful and double check the fitting style you get on the brake lines before installing them!

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Cheap bench bleeding setup- less than $20 from Supercheap!

Even with this issue though I still 100% recommend this if you are tying to get more out of your brakes! Knowing what I know now I would even do this before fitting brembos- the brake feel you get with the larger master cylinder is phenomenal and very confidence inspiring. Coupled with some good brake pads (I have been currently trying Forza FP3's with very promising results) this is a fantastic and underrated mod for these cars.

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I had to swap over the VSC computer from my ABS pump when I stripped the thread. The replacement pump I got was from an automatic, which features the same pump and electronics, but with different VSC tuning. I ended up swapping the electronics module from my car as it was undamaged, and I was not able to find a VSC-equipped abs module from a manual! I thought the internal structure was very interesting and something many people may not have seen.
by JezzaH6
Fri Oct 08, 2021 11:20 pm
 
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Topic: Member Profile- 2007 3.0r-b sedan 65Z 6MT
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Re: Member Profile- 2007 3.0r-b sedan 65Z 6MT

Hey Jezza I have been looking into my potential brembo brake install, can you confirm what model booster and master cylinder you run? GDB WRX STI? Was it a bolt on job? Cheers
by nvmylh
Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:41 am
 
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Member Profile- 2007 3.0r-b sedan 65Z 6MT

Been a lurking member for the last 12 months or so, but been reading forum posts for easily the last 5 or so years!

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After over a year of looking for a really nice clean one, I ended up deciding on this bone-stock MY07 Liberty 3.0r-b sedan 6MT in diamond grey. I bought it from a friendly chap in Adelaide, flying up and driving it back home to Melbourne. Bought in early Q4 2017, the car remained stock for the most part until 2020, when I got off my p's and decided it was time to remedy the issues and short-comings I'd found over 3 years of driving it. Bought with 154xxx kms, it now (Jan '21) just clicked over to 230xxx.

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The car is definitely not stock now! Proud to say that pretty much all of the work has been done by me, with definitely a lot of help from mates! The first thing I attempted on this car was replacing a CV boot- which meant rebuilding the front CV's. This gave me the bug to start actually working on my own car- from that point on the only work I've paid for other people to do are wheel alignments!

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The first mods were infotainment based- first was the install of a GROM BT-3 module to add Bluetooth support to the existing Macintosh headunit. This left me wanting more, which led to the replacement of the stock 2007-spec GPS unit with a tablet mount. As I wasn't a fan of using an old Nexus tablet I made one from a current-gen Samsung 7" tablet with cellular, which fit in the existing screen-hole with some custom 3D printed parts. This worked out quite well and existed on the car for a good 12 months.

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Aside from tyre and brake upgrades (Dragon Sports (crap) to Pilot Sport 4, and Bendix Ultra Premiums (atrocious) to Intima SR's) the car remained like this for a good 2 years.

The first couple of track days I went to were fun days, which I mainly used to learn more about the track itself, as well as how the car actually handles closer to the limit. The car was practically stock for these two track days, and actually held up surprising well. No good time was set- with the fastest time I set in the low 1m50s mark.

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Since then the mod list has grown quite substantially, as all the things I found I didn't like about the car got remedied.

Engine:
-DIY upper engine rebuild after headgasket failure at 212xxx kms
    -ARP headstuds
    -OEM headgaskets and seals all around
    -Rebuilt heads, with new OEM valves and heavy duty valve springs
    -New hoses and clamps all around
    -New OEM timing chains, guides, bolts and tensioners
-Custom exhaust
-Koyorad OEM single core replacement radiator
-Fully custom alloy 42mm triple core radiator, black anodised
    -15% Redline Water Wetter, 15% gylcol and pure distilled water as coolant
-Kobe Motorsport silicone EZ30 coolant hoses
-Lightened flywheel
-Mishimoto oil filter sandwich plate with custom OLED oil temp and pressure gauge setup
-Full custom DIY oil cooling system
    -AN10 lines
    -10 Row plate-and-fin oil cooler behind passenger fog light surround
    -Hollowed fog light surround
    -Custom aluminium guard

-Possum Bourne Motorsport baffled sump plate insert
-5203-2RS double row ball bearings replacing crappy OEM serpentine belt idler bearings

Transmission:
-Full transmission swap
    -JDM TY856UB1KA from a 2009 GRB WRX STi
    -DCCD
    -Close ratio
    -Helical front differential
-DCCDPro SpiiderPlus DCCD controller
    -Fully automatic, programable and adjustable
    -Wheel slip detection
-Quaife ATB rear differential
-Mantic 'Stage 1' heavy duty clutch
-HEL performance stainless braided clutch line
-Motul RBF660 brake fluid as clutch fluid
-CorgiWerx shifter bushings
-Type N transmission mount
-Superpro diff cradle bushings
-Whiteline diff subframe bushing inserts
-Cheap ebay aluminium pitch stop with poly bushings

Handling:
-Shockworks Coilovers
-Godspeed adjustable rear upper camber arms
-Godspeed adjustable rear toe control arms
-Superpro bushings everywhere except
    -Whiteline front lower control arm caster-adjustment bushing
-Superpro antiroll bar endlinks F+R
-Drive Industries custom 18mm rear anti-roll bar
-AVO rear anti-roll bar mount brace (painted black)
-Cusco lower control arm brace (unknown part number)
-Whiteline bump steer and roll centre correction kit
-HardRace roll centre correction lower ball joints
-HardRace adjustable pillowball tie rod ends (bump steer correction)

Braking:
-WRX STi 1 1/16" brake master cylinder conversion
-WRX STi 'For Brembo' brake booster
-HEL Performance stainless braided brake lines
-Brake proportioning valves
-Motul RBF660 brake fluid
-AP Racing CP9040 6 piston calipers front
    -APF404 pads
    -Intima SR pads
    -2 piece 355mm x 32mm rotors
-AP Racing CP5200 4 piston calipers rear
    -APF404 pads
    -Intima RS pads
    -Two piece 345mm x 28mm rotors
Old:
    -Cadillac CTSV front Brembo brake conversion
    -Intima SR pads F+R
    -Forza FP3 pads front
    -Intima SR's rear
    -Winmax W7's (track only)
    -ATE Superblue brake fluid
    -VMax 'J' Type brake rotors F+R

Exterior:
-DIY number plate riser (front)
-Restored OEM headlights
-Full LED exterior light conversion (except HID's)
-4500 lumen fog light conversion
-All guards rolled and pulled
-Blacked out OEM honeycomb grill (after an encounter with a wallaby)
-Reversing Camera
-Custom external boot release button
-Elite Garage 'STi Style' front lip spoiler

Wheels and tyres:
-WedSport TC105x 18x8.5 +43 on Yokohama AD08r 235/40/18 Rest In Piece
-OEM 2012 WRX wheels 17x8 +53 on Michelin Pilot Sport 4 235/45/17 Sold
-Rota Gravel's 18x8 +44 on Yokohama AD08r 235/40/18 Rest In Piece(s)
-One single Wedsport TC105n 18*8+42 on Yokohama AD08r 235/40/18 as a spare
-WedSport TC105x 18x8+45 on Nangkang NS2R 235/40/R18 180tw

Interior:
-Postfacelift tbSTi seat swap (front and rear)
    -Modified with seat heating elements (5 way adjustable driver and passenger)
-Replacement handbrake and shifter boots (unknown ebay seller)
-Fully custom android infotainment system based around ROCKpro 64 SBC
    -ECU connection and gauges via Torque Pro
    -Tyre pressure and temperature monitoring system via app
-Fully custom OLED arduino gauges, with currently oil temp, pressure and GPS speed readouts
-1kg fire extinguisher and custom aluminium mount
-USB PD (15w charging) and USB3.0 ports (infotainment) in custom 3D printed mount in centre console
-2008 tbSTi steering wheel with Outback (dark grey) steering wheel controls
-GPS tracker
-Response (Jaycar Brand) rear subwoofer
-Macintosh subwoofer power increase amp hack
-Sound deadening on parcel shelf
-15w Qi wireless charging phone mount
-Alcantara wrapped OEM steering wheel (East Detailing kit)

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by JezzaH6
Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:10 pm
 
Forum: Post your mods
Topic: Member Profile- 2007 3.0r-b sedan 65Z 6MT
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